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  • #46
    NOT Suspects!

    Hi everyone. I talked with a good friend who lives in Boston last night, she was still awake at 12 AM my time, which was 3 AM EST. She said the whole city was on lockdown and everyone was told to lock their doors and stay inside. This whole thing is so surreal. I grew up in Connecticut and my family often made the short drive to Massachusetts and the city of Boston, enjoying the wonderfully preserved historical sites...it's hard for me to conceive of Boston as a place of such horror.

    There are new breaking developments, apparently the dead suspect has been identified and his brother is barricaded in a house surround by the police. According to reports, the two bombers are brothers, originally from Chechnya. I'm not posting their names as I want to be sure the info is correct.

    Just for the record, the two men named in a post above as suspects, Mike Mulugeta and Sunil Tripathi, ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT AND ARE NOT SUSPECTS.

    I read quite a bit of the online chatter about Sunil, a missing Brown University student whose family is frantically looking for him. On the internet he was painted as "suffering from depression", born in Morocco, his father the CEO of a company and that was offered as his "motive"- ??? Photos were shown saying he matched the photos of suspect #2. I didn't think so, and the suspect photos were much too grainy for accurate identification, except maybe by very close friends and family. But the armchair detectives of the internet proclaimed Sunlil guilty. I took the time to read Sunlil's family's "Missing Person appeal", what his many friends said about him, and he sounded like such a kind-hearted and genuinely sweet person that all night I was praying it would turn out to be somebody else... and it is.

    I don't know anything about Mr. Mulegeta, but he is innocent too.

    Earlier members of the public erroneously "identified" a 17 year old boy as one of the bombers. He's a high school track star whose dream is to compete in the Olympics, which is why he was at the finish line. He was photographed in a blue track suit carrying a shoulder bag and talking to his coach, who also carried a bag.

    The Daily Mail published a huge photo of them labeled "BAG MEN" along and circled their duffel bags in red, saying they were "too heavy" to be normal bags. My God, to put people in danger like that is unconscionable, especially when one of them is a MINOR. When the two individuals found out on the internet that they were being fingered by members of the public they were terrified of becoming the victims of vigilante 'justice'. Each went immediately to the police and was quickly cleared. The teenage boy is a really good kid whose family immigrated from Morocco, and he was TERRIFIED that someone would believe the false rumors and hurt his family. He was especially worried about his two little sisters.

    It's great that people took photos and video of the bombing and turned them over to police so they could be searched for clues, but it's just plain WRONG for members of the public to publicly announce that THEY have identified a "Suspect" and then post their name, information, Facebook page, etc. Think how traumatic it would be if YOU were named in public as the one who carried out a sickening massacre and YOUR family was placed in danger.

    Some poor man was beaten up in an Applebees restaurant because some idiot identified him as a "foreigner" and therefore somehow complicit in the bombing.

    I think it should be pointed out that one of the greatest heroes in the aftermath of the bombing was a man named Carlos Arredondo. Carlos immigrated from Costa Rica years ago, is an American citizen, and his American son Alexander volunteered for US military service at the age of 17. Alex became a United States Marine, and was killed in Iraq. Carlo's other son Brian was despondent over the death of his brother, and ended up committing suicide. So Carlos lost BOTH of his children to the Iraq war.

    Carlos coped with his overwhelming grief by becoming an activist in the effort to put a human face on the cost of war. He also became a trained Red Cross trained medic. Carlos was there at the finish line of the Boston Marathon to cheer on the Marines taking part in Operation Tough Ruck, whereby Marines honor fallen Marines. They run the marathon in full battle gear complete with 45 lb military rucksacks on their backs. One of the Marines was running in the name of deceased U.S. Marine Alexander Arredondo. When the blast happened Carlos didn't run away in the fear of more bombs; instead he rushed directly into the carnage and began working to save lives.

    Carlos in the man in the cowboy hat in the famous photo that shows him and others rushing victim Jeff Bauman to an ambulance. Jeff had horrif injuries. He lost both of his legs above the knee, and if you've seen the full photo before it was cropped I swear to God you'll never forget it. Carlos is seen running beside Jeff's wheelchair, grasping something in his hands-he was holding Jeff's severed femoral artery in his hands, pinching it off so Jeff wouldn't bleed to death. Jeff's face is utterly ashen in the photo; it's obvious that he had lost a lot of blood and was in shock. Carlos's courageous action saved his life.

    So before bashing "foreigners" as terrorists, please remember Costa Rican-American Carlos Arredondo, who tragically lost both of his two children to our war in Iraq, yet saved many lives in Boston.

    In my opinion Carlos is an American hero.
    http://lightbox.time.com/2013/04/18/the-hero-in-the-cowboy-hat-carlos-arredondos-story-by-eugene-richards/?iid=lf|around#1

    And I sincerely hope that the missing college student Sunil Tripathi returns safely to his friends and family.

    Best regards,
    Archaic

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    • #47
      A trip down memory lane to the problems the police faced in 1888.

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      • #48
        Actually, the news that I heard this morning was a 7/11 was robbed by two men (who are brothers), and that they murdered an MIT campus policeman, and stole (at gunpoint) a car (not harming the driver). They were pursued by the police firing guns and throwing bombs. The police shot and killed one, and the other was apparently wounded. The authorities basically closed down Boston to protect the citizens there, and they were searching the neighborhood in Cambridge (slowly - they don't want to trigger any booby traps).

        The brothers are from a Chechnyan family that has been here over a decade. One was a boxer, the other a wrestler. They may have been influenced by Islamic extremist websites in Turkey and Chechnya. There was a report of a new bomb found in Boston and defused. They may have accomplices.

        That was what I heard at 10:30 A.M.

        I do not think that this is at all like 1888. Things did not move so quickly in 1888 - they did not have cellphone/cameras/videos. The mass media was only newspapers and magazines. Few newspapers (in 1888) carried photos, or drawings (the magazines were frequently illustrated). Actually I find this investigation running very smoothly in comparison.

        Jeff

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        • #49
          Hi Jeff

          But we still have citizens making accusations.The bag thing is a definite parallel. And there's still a determination to see the hand of the foreigner behind it all.

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          • #50
            When I posted last night and gave the names of suspects who are now apparently uninvolved, I was only relating what official sources were saying at the time. When I woke up today and turned on the radio, I listened for a moment and groggily went, "What?"

            I'm really losing faith in our ability to be sure what the truth is.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Robert View Post
              Hi Jeff

              But we still have citizens making accusations.The bag thing is a definite parallel. And there's still a determination to see the hand of the foreigner behind it all.
              Hi Robert,

              Good point, but maybe they were. We'll see.

              Jeff

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              • #52
                But the brothers (one now dead) are from the Caucasus are they not? According to a report on the BBC, the elder brother (Tamerlin?) went to Russia last year and stayed there for 6 months - so the hand of the "foreigner" cannot be entirely dismissed can it?

                The question is surely: were they influenced from outside, or are they "home grown" terrorists (clean skins is, I believe the phrase of art) entirely self-motivated.

                Phil

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                • #53
                  ABC News just reported that the younger customer is in custody.

                  No word yet on his condition other that they knew he was already wounded when he hid in the boat because the blood trail is what alerted the home-owner.

                  The suspect fired on police.

                  Apparently the police used a robot to tip him out of the boat.

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                  • #54
                    Police say suspect in alive in ambulance.

                    The police were smart not to fire back once the suspect was totally cornered and wounded.

                    I hope he lives, so he will go to trial on Federal Terrorism charges.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by kensei View Post
                      When I posted last night and gave the names of suspects who are now apparently uninvolved, I was only relating what official sources were saying at the time. When I woke up today and turned on the radio, I listened for a moment and groggily went, "What?"

                      I'm really losing faith in our ability to be sure what the truth is.
                      Hi Kensei, I realize that you were just relaying news you had heard. Sorry, I meant to say that in my post, but I forgot because I had just read about how terrified that 17 yr old boy was at being "named" all over the internet.

                      Its amazing how rapidly rumors swirl and grow, more rapidly than ever due to the internet & cell phones. News and information flow more quickly too; the difficulty is in knowing one from the other.

                      I've read many online comments from people saying if they "see the suspect they'll shoot him problem solved". The problem with that attitude is, what if the person they see isn't a suspect and isn't guilty, but has just been misidentified via over-eager Reddit users? That totally innocent 17 year old boy could have been shot to death by some self-appointed vigilante.

                      The Boston Police and the FBI were very careful to make sure of the facts before they named anyone as a suspect, because they saw the unintended tragedy that could come from naming the wrong individuals.

                      I'm impressed with the work of the BPD, and especially with their tactic of holding back at the end when the suspect was totally surrounded and capturing him alive without any additional casualties.

                      We need to know who else may have been involved, and I'm glad he may live to go to trial. Though I have to say, I'm surprised he didn't just commit suicide.

                      Best regards,
                      Archaic

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                      • #56
                        Well, what do you know. They're Muslims.



                        While some on the Left speculated that the Boston bombing was the work of right-wing domestic groups, we now know that the two brothers who planted the bomb — the now deceased older brother Tamerlan Tzarnaev, and his younger sibling Dzhokhar — considered themselves to be religious Islamists as well as defenders of the Chechen cause.

                        On Dzhokhar’s Russian Facebook page, a drawing of a bomb has the heading “send a gift,” and on his sibling Tamerlan’s You Tube page, as Robert Spencer points out, are “two videos by Sheikh Feiz Mohammed. According to a report published in The Australian in January 2007, in a video that came to the attention of authorities at the time, Mohammed ‘urges Muslims to kill the enemies of Islam and praises martyrs with a violent interpretation of jihad.’”...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Beowulf View Post
                          Well, what do you know. They're Muslims.



                          While some on the Left speculated that the Boston bombing was the work of right-wing domestic groups, we now know that the two brothers who planted the bomb — the now deceased older brother Tamerlan Tzarnaev, and his younger sibling Dzhokhar — considered themselves to be religious Islamists as well as defenders of the Chechen cause.

                          On Dzhokhar’s Russian Facebook page, a drawing of a bomb has the heading “send a gift,” and on his sibling Tamerlan’s You Tube page, as Robert Spencer points out, are “two videos by Sheikh Feiz Mohammed. According to a report published in The Australian in January 2007, in a video that came to the attention of authorities at the time, Mohammed ‘urges Muslims to kill the enemies of Islam and praises martyrs with a violent interpretation of jihad.’”...
                          Does it really matter whether they are Muslim or right-wing domestic groups? The result is the same. Three dead and many injured. The point is, whatever their objectives, they set out to kill and injure people.

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                          • #58
                            I heard the guy was shot in the neck from the shootout last night, and also that the police used a flash grenade to disorient him when they caught him.

                            Seeing the Bostonians standing in the streets cheering this evening was great- it reminded me of how the crowds cheered as Richard Ramirez the Night Stalker was being taken away. However, I've been wondering for years ever since Bin Laden's declaration of war on America why we didn't have sporadic bombs like this going off from coast to coast. I hope this is not just the start of something, but I won't be surprised if it is.

                            Saw a picture on t.v. this evening of some Syrian children holding a banner that said something like, "Boston, we live with this every day. But you do have our sympathies."

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                            • #59
                              I'm not sure either whether seeking to draw distinctions between "home grown" and external terrorists is altogether useful. Both seek to kill and maim and frighten innocent people.

                              The key question surely has to be, what is it that makes people want to do these dreadful things. In the US, in Britain and in other relatively "liberal" countries - by which I mean those with freedom of speech and conscience, freedom of religion, high standards of often state funded education, free press, and a pretty good standard of living for the vast majority of people - there are those who misuse those freedoms to harm others.

                              In the case of the two brothers in Boston the rationale at this stage seems highly tenuous - the Chechin problem is (or has been) an almost entirely Russian one. If they have - as apparently Russian "facebook" pages suggest - they have sympathy for the Syrian rebels, how does a bomb in Boston help their cause? As far as I am aware, the Western powers would like to do more - through the UN - to put pressure on the Syrian government, but it is Russia and China that are resisting. Obama has spoken strong words against the Syrian regime.

                              So I will be very interested to see what the motivation here might be, and how these two lads came to be enmeshed in such an outrage. There may be important lessons to be learned.

                              Phil

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                              • #60
                                Just a suggestion : it would be better not to discuss the suspect, for fear of prejudicing any future trial. Just my opinion.

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