Talking with the unvaccinated to change minds

[Harry D]

I'm no health expert, Harry, but I think you'll find that individual liberty and independence are not much good to anyone when they are dead.

I demand my freedom to throw myself out of an aircraft without a parachute, but some poor sod will have to scrape me off the runway like a dollop of raspberry jam.

Love,

Caz
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Lucky for you Caz, there’s more chance of winning the Lotto than dying of COVID.

[Abby Normal]

No it's very much not, Abby. You can still catch this virus even though you've had your jabs and it probably won't do you much harm - unless a new variant is lurking which is vaccine resistant. You could then get long covid, which is no joke.

But this isn't about you. It's about protecting others in case you are infected without knowing it. It's not just about protecting all those who act like spoiled babies and refuse to get jabbed; it's about protecting those who can't have the jab because of genuine concerns about serious allergic reactions, or because they are currently too young to be offered it; or because they have had only one jab and are waiting for their second; or because they have had two jabs, but are among the unlucky minority who could still get very ill or die; or have health conditions that make them extra vulnerable.

Would you be happy if you left off your mask and a kid ended up dying as a result? Would it be worth the risk, just for your own comfort?

Lo
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what a bunch of crap. does anyone respect or understand the concept of majority rule. the few who are still at risk need to stay hidden in there basements then and let the rest of us get on with our lives. the new mask mandates are political fascist socialist bullshit.
i also notice the biggest covid crusaders are usually the ones that have no life anyway so it gives them a chance to look like heroes when it hasnt affected them at all. save the hysterical rhetoric, caz, i see right through it just like your bs diary defending.

and dont talk to me again, you have no idea how this pandemic and some of the bullshit and capricious rules has affected me and my family and the suffering it has already caused.


"Would you be happy if you left off your mask and a kid ended up dying as a result? Would it be worth the risk, just for your own comfort?"

no but i would really be happy if I could tell you what i really think of you and this statement.
seriously, get a life.

[caz]

Lucky for you Caz, there’s more chance of winning the Lotto than dying of COVID.

Hmmm, a few people here in the UK have been saying the same thing recently, Harry - and then went on to die, fighting for their last breath and losing. One was an Oxbridge educated lawyer.

He wasn't so smart, was he? Unless he was tired of living.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

what a bunch of crap. does anyone respect or understand the concept of majority rule. the few who are still at risk need to stay hidden in there basements then and let the rest of us get on with our lives. the new mask mandates are political fascist socialist bullshit.
i also notice the biggest covid crusaders are usually the ones that have no life anyway so it gives them a chance to look like heroes when it hasnt affected them at all. save the hysterical rhetoric, caz, i see right through it just like your bs diary defending.

and dont talk to me again, you have no idea how this pandemic and some of the bullshit and capricious rules has affected me and my family and the suffering it has already caused.


"Would you be happy if you left off your mask and a kid ended up dying as a result? Would it be worth the risk, just for your own comfort?"

no but i would really be happy if I could tell you what i really think of you and this statement.
seriously, get a life.

Stay safe, Abby. I still like you and want you around for a while longer.

[Harry D]

Hmmm, a few people here in the UK have been saying the same thing recently, Harry - and then went on to die, fighting for their last breath and losing. One was an Oxbridge educated lawyer.

He wasn't so smart, was he? Unless he was tired of living.

Love,

Caz
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I don't see your point, Caz? People die of COVID, but the overwhelming majority don't, if they catch it at all.

Like I said, I can see why vulnerable people might opt for the vaccine, but I think the young & healthy should be wary of signing up for an experimental drug, particularly one that doesn't seem all that resistant to the virus.

It's also disingenuous that people sceptical of the vaccine are being labelled "anti-vaxxers". It supposes they don't believe in vaccination FULL STOP, when we're talking specifically about this fast-tracked drug that uses experimental technology with long-term complications are yet to be felt.

There isn't even any legal recourse for those medically affected by the drug. Very reassuring.

[GBinOz]

In Australia the Prime Minister declined ordering Pfizer in favour of the AstraZeneca produced locally by one of his political donors. As a result we have a big supply problem for vaccine, but the PM has spun it to be a problem of hesitancy. There are huge queues of people wanting to be vaccinated but little vaccine to be distributed.

Cheers, George

[caz]

I don't see your point, Caz? People die of COVID, but the overwhelming majority don't, if they catch it at all.

Like I said, I can see why vulnerable people might opt for the vaccine, but I think the young & healthy should be wary of signing up for an experimental drug, particularly one that doesn't seem all that resistant to the virus.

It's also disingenuous that people sceptical of the vaccine are being labelled "anti-vaxxers". It supposes they don't believe in vaccination FULL STOP, when we're talking specifically about this fast-tracked drug that uses experimental technology with long-term complications are yet to be felt.

There isn't even any legal recourse for those medically affected by the drug. Very reassuring.

It wasn't a point, Harry. It was just one example of someone who thought just like you do, and paid the ultimate price for reading Auntie Doris's facebook page instead of the science.

Many others don't die when they get this virus, but have all sorts of complications from it, which don't just go away but will blight their lives for goodness knows how long into the future. This is a fact, whereas it's pure speculation that the vaccines will go on to cause more health problems that they solve.

The young and healthy are now known to be just as likely to catch it as anyone else, and more so when they assume they are invulnerable and refuse the vaccine when it's offered.

Apart from anything else, it's a huge slap in the face to all the hard-working scientists around the globe, who have fast-tracked the design, testing and manufacture of the vaccines to make us all safer, at the expense of their home lives.

But I'll let others take over now, as it's clear I may as well be talking to my cat.

[Svensson]

what a bunch of crap. does anyone respect or understand the concept of majority rule. the few who are still at risk need to stay hidden in there basements then and let the rest of us get on with our lives. the new mask mandates are political fascist socialist bullshit.

It would be an easy thing to do IF we could guarantee that those will not mix with the rest of the population until the virus has burnt through that population and killed off the 1-1.5% of that population. And then repeat with the next variant and the next. The fact that people can get Covid multiple times is now common knowledge so the whole idea of "I don't need to be vaccinated because I already got it" (Rand Paul) falls flat on its face.

and dont talk to me again, you have no idea how this pandemic and some of the bullshit and capricious rules has affected me and my family and the suffering it has already caused.

And your suffering is no different to millions of others and as long as the virus is allow to be galloping around unchecked, this will continue. It is precisely for this reason, that all reasonable measures should be taken to stop the pandemic.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

And reasonable measures are pretty much the same all over the world (example, Paul Ehrlich Institue, the German equivalent to the CDC).

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downlo...cationFile&v=6

[Abby Normal]

It would be an easy thing to do IF we could guarantee that those will not mix with the rest of the population until the virus has burnt through that population and killed off the 1-1.5% of that population. And then repeat with the next variant and the next. The fact that people can get Covid multiple times is now common knowledge so the whole idea of "I don't need to be vaccinated because I already got it" (Rand Paul) falls flat on its face.




And your suffering is no different to millions of others and as long as the virus is allow to be galloping around unchecked, this will continue. It is precisely for this reason, that all reasonable measures should be taken to stop the pandemic.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

And reasonable measures are pretty much the same all over the world (example, Paul Ehrlich Institue, the German equivalent to the CDC).

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downlo...cationFile&v=6

go tell it to the people who havent gotten vaxed. I have and so has my whole family. and like I said I am wearing a mask again in public. if our political leaders had any brains or balls if they are going to mandate anything it should be to those who havent gotten the vax yet. end of!

[rjpalmer]

It is precisely for this reason, that all reasonable measures should be taken to stop the pandemic.

It's worth reminding ourselves that the same arguments against vaccination--including that they are 'experimental,' or even a deliberate plot by the global elite--have been around for 200 years or more. They were particularly rampant in London's East End during the Victorian Age.

Here's a provocative (and very familiar sounding) excerpt from a meeting of the 'Anti-Compulsory Vaccination League' held at Burdett Hall in Mile-End in 1869--a group of clergymen and working folk protesting the arrest of women who refused to vaccinate their children against small pox. (East London Observer of 18 September)






It sounds as if Baron Humboldt could have been an early QAnon wingnut. The deterioration of the Anglo-Saxon race can be attributed to the "filthy act of vaccination."

And what about this: the educated classes are endeavoring to "inculcate" (ie. brainwash) the poor into believing the vaccine is "beneficial."

My how things never change.

[Svensson]

My how things never change.

And that's actually the scary part. I would have thought that in the 21st century, the public's understanding of vaccines had greatly improved whereas science's understanding of vaccines is just in a different league now.

the educated classes are endeavoring to "inculcate" (ie. brainwash) the poor into believing the vaccine is "beneficial."

Counter question: "To what end..?"

also:
- The vaccine makes you magnetic - "To what end..?"
- The vaccine changes your DNA. -"To what end..?"
- The government wants everyone to wear a mask. - This time seriously: "To what end?" I mean, it could be to impair the spread of an airborne virus OR could it be that a fascist/communist (select as desired) government wants to force everyone to wear a mask (even allowing for the fact that there is no record of ANY fascist/communist government such as Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Maduro, Ceausescu, Khrushchov, Lenin, Stalin, ever imposing such a measure on its general population; not a single one).

Some events in human history are so big that they require a co-ordinated response and that can not come from individuals but MUST come from governments. Such events are invasion by a foreign power, natural disasters, chemical- or bio-warfare.

Amongst the countless contradictions of Trumpy-folks is this: If you are so insistent that this was a bio-weapon or done deliberately by China in some way, then why are these same people against counter-acting the effect of this bio-weapon? If China has attacked the US with the Virus, surely is is the patriotic duty of every american to fight this virus with all available resources and any undermining of the fight against the virus should be considered as aiding an ongoing attack against the US, no? There is no more prominent proponent of this problem that Rand Paul himself. I wish someone could ask him that question one day (before he gets Covid again).

[Harry D]

It wasn't a point, Harry. It was just one example of someone who thought just like you do, and paid the ultimate price for reading Auntie Doris's facebook page instead of the science.

Many others don't die when they get this virus, but have all sorts of complications from it, which don't just go away but will blight their lives for goodness knows how long into the future. This is a fact, whereas it's pure speculation that the vaccines will go on to cause more health problems that they solve.

The young and healthy are now known to be just as likely to catch it as anyone else, and more so when they assume they are invulnerable and refuse the vaccine when it's offered.

And I can point to the people who thought like you, took their jab and died of blood clots or myocarditis etc.

...or maybe I should go one better and point out those who died from COVID while fully vaccinated?

It's no wonder groups of people have no confidence in this experiment.

The mumps vaccine was the quickest vaccine to have been developed. It took FOUR YEARS. The COVID vaccines took 10 MONTHS to be rolled out. I'm sure you'll point to the advancements in medical science as testament to the speed of its development, but the fact remains that mRNA vaccines are still an experimental technology and these vaccines have been rushed out on an 'emergency' basis.

Apart from anything else, it's a huge slap in the face to all the hard-working scientists around the globe, who have fast-tracked the design, testing and manufacture of the vaccines to make us all safer, at the expense of their home lives. .

Just more guilt-tripping tactics. Sorry Caz, but it takes a lot to make me cry.

I think those hardworking scientists have done more for Big Pharma shareholders than the general populace.

[Svensson]

And I can point to the people who thought like you, took their jab and died of blood clots or myocarditis etc.

...or maybe I should go one better and point out those who died from COVID while fully vaccinated?

It's no wonder groups of people have no confidence in this experiment.

You can count those confirmed cases on one hand. whereas 15k Americans will die in August alone because they chose not to get vaccinated. There is no equivalence between the mortality of Pro and Con.

The mumps vaccine was the quickest vaccine to have been developed. It took FOUR YEARS. The COVID vaccines took 10 MONTHS to be rolled out. I'm sure you'll point to the advancements in medical science as testament to the speed of its development, but the fact remains that mRNA vaccines are still an experimental technology and these vaccines have been rushed out on an 'emergency' basis.

mRNA was developed for around 10 years before it was applied to Covid so it has moved beyond "experimental" already a while ago. and the time it took to roll out is irrelevant. First, the was never such an imminent need for a vaccine as it was with Covid, secondly the time itself does not matter. What DOES matter is if the usual testing, safety and per-review protocols have been followed or not. Here, the general consensus seems to be that they have been followed but I would need to dig this up.

Finally, the Astrazeneca is more traditional Vector vaccine so if mRNA is the problem, you can go for that one instead.

Cheers.

[Simon Wood]

Second Amendment message to the unvaccinated—

Now is the time to bare arms.

[caz]

Amongst the countless contradictions of Trumpy-folks is this: If you are so insistent that this was a bio-weapon or done deliberately by China in some way, then why are these same people against counter-acting the effect of this bio-weapon? If China has attacked the US with the Virus, surely is is the patriotic duty of every american to fight this virus with all available resources and any undermining of the fight against the virus should be considered as aiding an ongoing attack against the US, no? There is no more prominent proponent of this problem that Rand Paul himself. I wish someone could ask him that question one day (before he gets Covid again).

That is a brilliant observation, Svensson, but as such it is bound to go whizzing over the heads of the hard of thinking, who most need to get the message.

Love,

Caz
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