U.S. Presidential Election - November 3, 2020

[caz]

Moving on from Policing, Harry D., why do you think Trump constantly lies about pretty much everything? And why are there no consequences for him for doing so?

Well, Svensson, the consequences are that he has been voted out by people who don't admire compulsive liars. It's a start.

What say you, Harry D?

Love,

Caz
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[Wickerman]

Trump's legal charges of mail-in fraud are being rejected by the courts within 48 hrs of being filed. It is getting so bad for his legal team they have even pulled some of their own charges before they even get heard.
Trump is sinking in a swamp of lies & deception.

[Svensson]

Well, Svensson, the consequences are that he has been voted out by people who don't admire compulsive liars. It's a start.

What say you, Harry D?

Love,

Caz
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ok, that's true. However, this has been going on for 4 years and the GOP are cowering and are unwilling to stand by their principles even now after the election. This leads me to the conclusion that they

a) want to protect their own backsides rather than do their job (btw, isn't that the definition of the swamp?)
b) or they want to be able to use Trump's mob for their own WH run in 2024 (I'm looking at Cruz, Graham). Keep MAGA-rage and conspiracy lunacy bottled up and ready to be deployed when needed....

[Harry D]

Moving on from Policing, Harry D., why do you think Trump constantly lies about pretty much everything? And why are there no consequences for him for doing so?

Well, Svensson, the consequences are that he has been voted out by people who don't admire compulsive liars. It's a start.

What say you, Harry D?

It's a well-documented fact that Trump is the first politician to ever bend the truth.

I'm sure you had the same self-righteousness when Obama was talking with a forked-tongue, right?

[Harry D]

And based on that tiny clip, I can only assume the attacker walked away free to terrorise his neighbourhood.

ââââââ It's an example of how police in other nations don't have only one course of action. You'll find many clips on YouTube of British Bobbies not instantly resorting to lethal force. Even if they do look less than heroic in the process.

Sorry if I've offended your position, it certainly was never the intention. I was highlighting the fact that US police have such a difficult situation. We can criticise them for being so quick to shoot, for not using other techniques or non lethal options, but the stakes are totally different. That's what the Wallace family themselves were at pains to point out. The system failed the officers because it doesn't do enough to support them in difficult, life threatening situations. It's shoot to kill, nothing else.

Anyhow, I'm not out to ridicule you or your views. Just making an observation.

If someone is causing a disturbance with a violent weapon, and won't comply with law enforcement, he should be neutralized quickly. This isn't the movies where every cop is John Wayne and can shoots limbs with pinpoint accuracy. Policemen are trained to shoot at the center of mass for a reason.


There are countless examples of trigger-happy cops who think they're playing real life Call of Duty. And I would happily agree that the thin blue line needs to be held accountable to somebody other than itself. However, what I often see, is a moral outcry simply because of the victim's skin colour and not the incident itself. Where were the riots when Kelly Thomas, Daniel Shaver, or Tony Timba died from police brutality? In these high-profile cases where black men have been killed by police, it's usually because they were breaking the law in the first place and resisting arrest.

[Wickerman]

Finally, the charge of voter fraud has been vindicated.
The Leut. Governor of Philadelphia has discovered one single case of voter fraud, a Republican voter who tried to offer a ballot for his dead mother.
So, there you are Trump, a republican voter committing voter fraud.

[c.d.]

I have been looking at some evangelical Youtube videos. They largely seem to have forgotten that many of them predicted the Rapture would take place before the Presidential election. I do admire how they don't let being wrong every single time dissuade them from more predictions.

Many of them believe that Donald (grab 'em by their *****) Trump is a true man of God and that God intervened in the 2016 election so that Trump would become President. But that brings up a number of questions. Don't human beings have free will or does God override it from time to time? Does he intervene in all U.S. elections? If so, then Clinton and Obama were hand picked by Him as well as was every American president since Washington? And does he only intervene in US elections or in the elections of other countries as well?

Interesting questions are they not?

c.d.

[Joshua Rogan]

Do you think, cd, that they are confusing Putin with God?

[c.d.]

Do you think, cd, that they are confusing Putin with God?

Putin? Yeah, good question. I think maybe God let's the devil win one now and then just to keep the game interesting.

Funny how God always has the same view as the people who claim He is on their side.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Just had to post a few of the comments from the Evangelical Youtube video I watched:

I live in Pa. By far, the majority of signs I saw were Trump signs. If it where true, trump would have won by a landslide!!

I work in elder care and all the ballots that come to folks with Alzheimer’s .. we need reform

Something similar happened in 1894 with Abraham Lincoln with mail in voting. (I think this one is my favorite seeing as how Lincoln died in 1865)

I heard that the real ballots have a water make

47 countries fell to communism after WWll through voter fraud.

The envelopes were pitched so no post mark date to review

How convenient that the corona showed up late of 2019. That way people wore afraid to vote in person.

HOW ABOUT SOME STATES, HAVING MORE VOTES THAN REGISTERED VOTERS, INTERESTING HUM?????

Strange how the virus only benefited the Leftist Dems in the whole world nobody but no body benefited just the Dem's just sayin'.


I swear I did not make these up. They are legitimate comments.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

White House insiders are now suggesting a few are trying to convince Trump that he can back out with a degree of respect, in saying he plans to return (like Douglas "I will return" McArthur) and run again in 2024.

Lets hope they are successful, I'd tell him that myself just to get the fool to step down.
What we also learn is that Trump is considering pardoning a range of his staff, including himself! (how does that work?).

6 lawsuits Donald Trump is going to have to deal with when he leaves office.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/donald-trump-lawsuits/index.html

"Prosecutors have suggested in court filings that the investigation could examine whether the President and his company engaged in bank fraud, insurance fraud, criminal tax fraud and falsification of business records."

A Presidential Pardon is only applicable to federal crimes, not crimes brought by individual states - like New York.

[Wickerman]

One Retired military strategist, General McCaffrey (interviewed on MSNBC), has warned that Trump maybe be thinking of using the military to defend him. This is why he has just replaced four longtime service members of the Dept. of Defense with four of his sycophants.

The General is sure it will not work because military top brass are sufficiently independent minded to resist their service being used for illicit purposes, regardless of who is placed in charge.
However, he is warning this looks like the thinking that is going on in the mind of Trump.

[Ms Diddles]

Oh Jeezo! With the backdrop of Covid, this is becoming more like some apocalyptic disaster movie by the day!

[Svensson]

If someone is causing a disturbance with a violent weapon, and won't comply with law enforcement, he should be neutralized quickly. This isn't the movies where every cop is John Wayne and can shoots limbs with pinpoint accuracy. Policemen are trained to shoot at the center of mass for a reason.


There are countless examples of trigger-happy cops who think they're playing real life Call of Duty. And I would happily agree that the thin blue line needs to be held accountable to somebody other than itself. However, what I often see, is a moral outcry simply because of the victim's skin colour and not the incident itself. Where were the riots when Kelly Thomas, Daniel Shaver, or Tony Timba died from police brutality? In these high-profile cases where black men have been killed by police, it's usually because they were breaking the law in the first place and resisting arrest.

Again, I'm thinking that this lack of protests in all such cases OR that the shooting is the outcome of a confrontation should not matter. Unless you are suggesting that civilians in a confrontation with police is something that's unique to the US and that suspects in the UK for example do not resist arrest in such high numbers. So there are two issues here:

1. the number of civilians killed by police in the US in 2019 is far higher than compared to other western industrialised countries (i.e. 60 times higher than in the UK): https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/
2. the number of ethnic minorities killed by police is far higher than their population share.

The BLM movement are highlighting and protesting point 2 but the two issues probably go hand in hand. Thing is, rather than actually wanting to do something about these two issues, Trump changed subject to turn the protests about these two issues another culture war that he thought he could exploit for his political benefit.

There is also no comparison between Obama lies and Trump lies. I'm pretty sure that Obama's ten "worst" lies barely compare to a quiet week in Trump-land. There is also the persistent lying about the same issues. For example "China are paying us billions and billions in tariffs". And this is not even a difference of opinion, it's an easily verifiable lie and there are thousands such examples.

[Harry D]

Again, I'm thinking that this lack of protests in all such cases OR that the shooting is the outcome of a confrontation should not matter. Unless you are suggesting that civilians in a confrontation with police is something that's unique to the US and that suspects in the UK for example do not resist arrest in such high numbers. So there are two issues here

What I abhor is double-standards. If you want to protest against police brutality and corruption, I'm all for that, but let's not pretend that it's simply a race issue.

When George Floyd died, there were riots and protests all over the world, including in Paris, France.

Last month, when a French teacher was beheaded by a Muslim on the streets of Paris, there were tumbleweeds.

Now, perhaps people will claim "yes but institutionalized racism is a worldwide issue" ...and radical Islam, isn't? It's been one of the biggest existential threats to Western democracy in the last twenty years!

Of course, the real reason is that it doesn't support the social dynamic we have right now.

1. the number of civilians killed by police in the US in 2019 is far higher than compared to other western industrialised countries (i.e. 60 times higher than in the UK): https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/

Surely that has to be put into some context? Americans has more gun-owners than those other countries, which increases the likelihood of an armed conflict, as well as a higher percentage of violent crime.

2. the number of ethnic minorities killed by police is far higher than their population share.

There's also the rather unpopular statistic that ethnic minorities (in particular African-Americans) commit a disproportionately higher % of violent crime compared to other ethnicities. Do you not think that might have some bearing on the number who are killed by police?

The BLM movement are highlighting and protesting point 2 but the two issues probably go hand in hand. Thing is, rather than actually wanting to do something about these two issues, Trump changed subject to turn the protests about these two issues another culture war that he thought he could exploit for his political benefit.

If the BLM movement want to make that point, they probably shouldn't be invading ordinary neighbourhoods, and wantonly destroying homes and businesses. People have died as a result of these protests. And any attempts to dismiss the violent protesters and looters as not part of the BLM movement is bordering on a No True Scotsman fallacy.

There is also no comparison between Obama lies and Trump lies. I'm pretty sure that Obama's ten "worst" lies barely compare to a quiet week in Trump-land. There is also the persistent lying about the same issues. For example "China are paying us billions and billions in tariffs". And this is not even a difference of opinion, it's an easily verifiable lie and there are thousands such examples.

How about when Obama lied about the events leading to the death of four diplomats in Benghazi? Was that just a fib?

Unfortunately for the Left, Trump's presidency was pretty unremarkable. Scarily, they were all praying he would do something catastrophic just to feed their compulsive hatred of him. In the end, he didn't do much of anything.