As it turns out, the Ripper Cabal is real...it's just not who you thought it was

[Ally]

There has been an accusation of a "Ripper Cabal" floating around out there for a couple of years. When pressed on these accusations, the accusers generally turn tail and flee, or begin a song and dance routine, blustering and capering to deflect.

As it turns out, there is a Cabal, and the very people who have been making the accusations appear to be the ringleaders.

Take a look around. Sensible posters have thrown up their hands and walked off when confronted with these dancing fools. New posters are greeted and groomed by the fringe element, encouraged and led with promises of "new theories" and "new research" and fighting the "stodgy old guard" (who doesn't like a revolution).

Whenever there is reasoned dissent of their lunacy, whenever flaws are pointed out, they either go silent, attempt to get the person making the argument in trouble, or send in the clown to do a caper and dance routine to distract from such petty little things like, oh, fact.

Who knew? Turns out there was a cabal after all. Welcome to a new decade in Ripperology, where any sort of outright stupidity is cherished, as long as it directly contradicts established fact. Because a new idea, no matter how idiotic, is always better than what's always been.

/rant

[Monty]

This has been noted for some months Ally.

The inability to let posters think for themselves, the constant laying of biased 'evidence'.

I have been label a pro Swanson Marginalia supporter and a Kosminskite. This because I raise evidences for these issues. I'm not, the marginalia doesn't sit well with me and neither does Kosminski.

The reason why I'm labelled as such is due to my beliefs, a true ALL ROUND representation of the information held.

Yet I'm labelled and pidgeon holed. Nah, I'm just laying both sides out.

However to some, that's not important.

Monty

[Ally]

Tell me about it. I have been questioning the marginalia for years, long before certain parties even raised their head in the field and wanted to smack the crap out of a certain little arrogant pissant who recently decided to state that Neville appeared on the documentary before any "serious questioning" of the marginalia occurred.

Way to be both late to the party and then attempt to claim the credit as if all the idea originated with you. *not monty-you, you know who you*

These people are climbing on the backs of their betters and then attempting to take the credit for every shred of progress. It's really quite revolting.

[Monty]

There's always been questions about the Marginalia, however they were made with common sense and not outright unsupported accusations.

We are at a stage now where he who shouts loudest, irrelevant of supporting evidence, seems to hold more sway.

I say seem as obviously that's not the case. The serious researchers have now turned to Ripperologist to present their research. A place where it can be considered without the silly slobberers jumping in before they have even read or thought about what is presented.

This is why the Rip is seemingly having a bumper year.

My opinion though.

However yes, these new thinkers are merely rehashing old ideas and fueling the paranoia.

The truth will out, it always does. So whilst they fail to produce their 'truths', they rest of us will carry on and see what we can find....then keep it for ourselves.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

There appears to be a lot of huddling around the Ripperological camp-fire for light, warmth and reassurance.

What's going on?

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hi All,

There appears to be a lot of huddling around the Ripperological camp-fire for light, warmth and reassurance.

What's going on?

Regards,

Simon

Nothing really Simon.

Just that Ally and I prefer to to our talking out in the open, as opposed to the frantic PMing that will undoubtedly be going on now.

Join us, and bring that good ol evidence of yours.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Ally and Monty,

In the name of fairness, I'll ask you the same question that was asked many times of 'Cabal accusers' on the other side of the fence...who are all these mysterious cabal members? I'm not worried I'll be lumped among them, I just think it would be fun to see names named. It will be remembered that I'm in a conspiracy with bosom buddies, Stephen Ryder and Ivor Edwards. I believe there is still a blog in existence to attest to that fact.

Incidentally, I'm not all that bothered by the Marginalia. The 1981 letter is pretty good evidence of its prominence, at least to my mind.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

Thank you for the invitation, which at the moment I must respectfully decline.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Thank you for the invitation, which at the moment I must respectfully decline.

Regards,

Simon

I understand Simon.

Monty

[Bridewell]

'Cabal accusers' on the other side of the fence

Does this mean Albert was a 'Cabal Accuser'?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Tom_Wescott]

LOL. Yes, and he thought his sh*t didn't stink.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Have Ally and Monty ran and hid?

[Supe]

Tom,

Have Ally and Monty run and hid?

The cabal clowns hardly hold any terror for anyone, most especially Ally and Neil. But they both have full and rewarding lives away from the boards so I would guess they are so engaged presently.

Don.

[Monty]

Tom,

Have Ally and Monty run and hid?

The cabal clowns hardly hold any terror for anyone, most especially Ally and Neil. But they both have full and rewarding lives away from the boards so I would guess they are so engaged presently.

Don.

Sorry Tom,

I was busy doing the research into your WVC question.

Though I am the closest to God you will get, I've not mastered ominipresence....yet.

Monty

[Ally]

Hi Ally and Monty,

In the name of fairness, I'll ask you the same question that was asked many times of 'Cabal accusers' on the other side of the fence...who are all these mysterious cabal members? I'm not worried I'll be lumped among them, I just think it would be fun to see names named. It will be remembered that I'm in a conspiracy with bosom buddies, Stephen Ryder and Ivor Edwards. I believe there is still a blog in existence to attest to that fact.

Incidentally, I'm not all that bothered by the Marginalia. The 1981 letter is pretty good evidence of its prominence, at least to my mind.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Actually I was out in the world amongst the three dimensional people. Believe it or not I actually have friends and on occasion I go to their house and shoot the **** for a few hours, in this case well over five and I almost, almost talked out.

As for your cabal with Ivor Edwards, I was asking someone two days ago what he was up to. Since you are in league, what's the word.

And as for naming names, nah. A) they've never bothered to play fair so fuk them, I feel no obligation to, and B) they'd just report me AGAIN so why give them the satisfaction.

I am done even pretending to play nice and fair. If I am to be hanged, it'll be as a sheep and not a lamb.

[Tom_Wescott]

Ivor? I wish I knew. Haven't heard from him in many a year. He knows where I'm at if he wants to say hi.

I suppose the 'cabal' being referenced in this thread is:

FIRST TIER: Trevor Marriott, Simon Wood, Lynn Cates

SECOND TIER: Phil Carter, Michael "Perry Mason" Richards

THIRD TIER: Newbie recruits.

But they all have different theories, do they not?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott