Jilted Ex-Boyfriend Puts Up Abortion Billboard

[ChainzCooper]

If he's telling the truth? So what if he is? Is it his business whether or not his ex-girlfriend aborted his child? Absolutely. Is it anyone elses? Absolutely not. You assume he is standing up because he wanted to be a father. You don't know why she left him. If he was beating the crap out of her, does he still get to be a father? Does he only want a perfect child to pass on the family name to, and like most unmarried fathers, is going to absolutely bail on a child with any developmental or physical handicaps? Does he even care about the child at all, given that he only seemed to care AFTER she dumped him?

Or is it possible, that like most women who miscarry, she had to have a D&C to clear out the leftover placenta and uterine lining so she didn't die of septic shock? Or maybe, despite the absolute innocence of the completely physically and chemically dependent fetus developing inside her, she chose not to be a mother, and certainly was not going to be a mother with such a complete ass, and chose to end her pregnancy in a way absolutely protected by law and medical science.

You may see it as murder. And that is your inalienable right. It is a an extremely limited and judgmental view that absolutely guarantees you will remain in ignorance of the complexities of such issues, rendering you unlikely to ever give an informed opinion, but that's okay. It's not like I don't understand. It is a terrifying position to be in, as a male in this country with no definable rights with an unborn child. And I am not unsympathetic. But that doesn't give anyone the right to publicize the worst day of your life. How would you feel if you saw a billboard of a woman holding the outline of a child that said "This would be a picture of my two-month old baby IF my ex-husband hadn't proved to be infertile"? Especially if YOU were the ex-husband? If you EVER loved someone, you do NOT expose them to the hate and the violent maniacs that come out of the woodworks over abortion. Not ever. Or would you prefer some nutcase taking her out in her driveway with a high powered rifle?

This isn't complex at all. If she aborted the baby and he has no say in it don't you think he has the right to feel angry? I know I would be. Not all fathers are bad hate to break it to you. He doesn't love her anymore if the story he says is true then shes in the wrong,not him. This isn't really that hard to understand. If he gets creative in getting back at her (at a such small scale considering all hes lost forever) then I say bravo to you, sir. And wow equating shooting someone with a billboard yeah that is really comparable
Jordan

[Errata]

This isn't complex at all. If she aborted the baby and he has no say in it don't you think he has the right to feel angry? I know I would be. Not all fathers are bad hate to break it to you. He doesn't love her anymore if the story he says is true then shes in the wrong,not him. This isn't really that hard to understand. If he gets creative in getting back at her (at a such small scale considering all hes lost forever) then I say bravo to you, sir. And wow equating shooting someone with a billboard yeah that is really comparable
Jordan

I don't think all fathers are bad. I don't even think most are. But you don't know this man, nor the situation, and you cannot assume he is righteous. I do not assume he is scum, I merely recognize the possibility. I know that she did not feel she could tell him that she was pregnant, and that is never a sign of any kind of healthy relationship.

Perhaps you are unaware of the lengths that people go to in this particular debate. Let me inform you.

When I was nine years old, at my softball game, a woman handed me a box and told me to give it to my Dad for her. Which I did. It contained a small deactivated bomb. With a note that said "You won't be so smug when WE kill YOUR baby". My father was an OB/GYN at a local hospital. And they followed him, identified me as his daughter and targeted me. Not him, me. Then, when I was 19 and working as a file clerk at a local Planned Parenthood I came home to find a man in my bedroom, pinning a cloth doll to my wall with a hunting knife. He told me that I had been warned, and left. And I had to quit a job I really believed in because they were making sure teenagers could avoid getting pregnant, because some psycho knew where I lived. And I had to move. Now I have been exposed to this for my whole life. And I am a willing participant in this fight. I chose this.

Someone here found this man's ex through google in like, a minute. Do you think for a second that the kind of people who are willing to threaten a nine year old girl based on her father's job would hesitate to do something to a woman they honestly believe had an abortion? Did you think these people don't exist? That's why you do not EVER expose someone to that kind of threat. NOT EVER!

You think this is "creative revenge". Will you still think so if she is found dead with a bullet in her skull? Will you still applaud?

[ChainzCooper]

What is the correlation between the events that happened to you (sorry they happened by the way) and what this man is doing? Sorry, but I don't see the moral equivalency. And why is it always this guys fault? Like if something happens to his ex ,its automatically his fault again. I don't know whats more disturbing about this that shes more distressed about a billboard than aborting her own child or that she can abort her child and then sue someone about it. Probably the former, so I like what this guy is doing I guess we can just agree to disagree
Jordan

[Errata]

What is the correlation between the events that happened to you (sorry they happened by the way) and what this man is doing? Sorry, but I don't see the moral equivalency. And why is it always this guys fault? Like if something happens to his ex ,its automatically his fault again. I don't know whats more disturbing about this that shes more distressed about a billboard than aborting her own child or that she can abort her child and then sue someone about it. Probably the former, so I like what this guy is doing I guess we can just agree to disagree
Jordan

Okay. Clearly I am not making myself understood. Let me try it this way.

There are crazy people out there on this issue. Violent crazy people. Like the ones who targeted me. And this is well known. When he put up the billboard about her, he made her a potential target of these people. That may not have been his intent, but he did. And if her real name can be found in a matter of minutes on google, then it does not matter that he did not name her explicitly. And however pissed he may be at her, and however rightfully so, there are reasons that there are such stringent privacy protections for women who get abortions. Because there are people out there more than willing to kill them for having done so. They are also willing to kill people who give abortions, people who assist, people who file documents, people who come in to get birth control, STD testing, yearly exams. They honestly believe that they should kill them all and let god sort them out.

I understand you sympathize with this man. Believe it or not, I do too. While I am absolutely pro-choice, I do believe that barring physical threat, men should have input into reproductive decisions. So I understand that he may be in a lot of pain. But his choice in revenge could put her in danger with the crazy people out there. If he wants to be pissed at her, I fully support him. If he wants to throw himself into anti-abortion protests and politics, I fully support him. If he is interested in something good coming from all this, god bless him in his efforts. This billboard won't heal him. It won't change things. And if a lunatic googles her and hurts her, which is not outside the realm of possibility, then he has some responsibility in that. Were I him, I would want to avoid that possibility.

[DirectorDave]

An angry man who is hurting.

I have no doubt that many women have lost their lives due to potential fathers reacting badly to an abortion.

I admire his original and non-violent revenge.

[babybird67]

Errata

I completely agree with your eloquent posts.

If any harm comes to this woman as a consequence of what this man has exposed her to, then he shoiuld be charged with a crime and imprisoned.

Nobody is saying this man doesn't have a right to feel upset, IF what he says is true. And who knows if it is? We only have his word for it. The woman involved claims she has a miscarriage. IT IS HER BODY AND SHE SHOULD KNOW. WHatever he believes happened is irrelevant. Just as she has no right to put billboards up labelling him for things he may or may not have done in their relationship, so he has no right to do the same to her.

The way his claims are being treated as true, without any proof, by some posters here, is disgraceful. Do you believe everything you read in print? LOL!

[babybird67]

An angry man who is hurting.

I have no doubt that many women have lost their lives due to potential fathers reacting badly to an abortion.

I admire his original and non-violent revenge.

1, how do you know it was an abortion?

2, if it was an abortion, why are you assuming that it wasn't for medical reasons and that the mother did not feel as much hurt and distress as the father is feeling.

3, why do you think it is any person's right to publicise someone else's personal intimate experiences to the world, whatever the truth behind the matter?

WHat really annoys me is the territorial macho rubbish of the jilted man who seems to assume he holds some kind of right over his ex girlfriend's body. Newsflash. He doesn't. He doesn't KNOW what happened to her. He is assuming, like everyone else here, putting his own spin on things, and the gullible, or perhaps the willingly blind, are just swallowing what he says as true and using that to justify the unjustifiable.

Astounding!

[DirectorDave]

IT IS HER BODY AND SHE SHOULD KNOW.

Yes she should know.....but perhaps a little more knowledge of her own body might have prevented the need for a abortion in the first place?

(and yes the man should also have been aware but does not detract from the fact that she should have been....IT IS HER BODY AFTERALL)

WHatever he believes happened is irrelevant.

I don't agree.

The way his claims are being treated as true, without any proof, by some posters here, is disgraceful. Do you believe everything you read in print? LOL!

On this? I really don't care to be honest....I'm just taking it at face value (and no I don't do that for everything I read) and the probability that this guy would not have went to this trouble if he had thought it was a miscarriage.

[babybird67]

Yes she should know.....but perhaps a little more knowledge of her own body might have prevented the need for a abortion in the first place?

(and yes the man should also have been aware but does not detract from the fact that she should have been....IT IS HER BODY AFTERALL)

YOu might have a point the day science makes contraception 100% effective Dave. News for you, it isn't. Even sterilisations fail.

On this? I really don't care to be honest....I'm just taking it at face value (and no I don't do that for everything I read) and the probability that this guy would not have went to this trouble if he had thought it was a miscarriage.

My emphasis. WHat he thinks is totally irrelevant because he doesn't know. If i think you're a rapist does that entitle me to put up a billboard saying so merely because i think it???? No, because I have no evidence, and therefore what I think and what he thinks is totally irrelevant.

You've obviously never been in an abusive relationship. People should not be able to put other people's lives in danger over what they merely believe to be true when they have no facts. You are as bad as him in condoning what he has done in my opinion. YOu have no evidence that this woman had an abortion and yet YOU DONT CARE that she might be in danger over something that might not even be true?

You haven't addressed my other point. EVen if it could be established it was an abortion, you arent privy to the reasons or whether the baby was so badly disabled/dead in the first place etc, so how dare you assume that the woman has not/is not going through enough distress already and condone some ignorant idiot for heaping more such distress upon her.

Like I say, astounding.

[DirectorDave]

1, how do you know it was an abortion?

2, if it was an abortion, why are you assuming that it wasn't for medical reasons and that the mother did not feel as much hurt and distress as the father is feeling.

3, why do you think it is any person's right to publicise someone else's personal intimate experiences to the world, whatever the truth behind the matter?

I think you have forgotten 4 & 5

4, How do you know it was even his child, what if she had had an affair or even been raped?

5, How do you know aliens did not remove the foetus for experimentation?

WHat really annoys me is the territorial macho rubbish of the jilted man who seems to assume he holds some kind of right over his ex girlfriend's body.

Thanks for the insight into your views on what fatherhood meant to this particular man. But I think I shall make up my own mind on his motives.

[babybird67]

I think you have forgotten 4 & 5

4, How do you know it was even his child, what if she had had an affair or even been raped?

Exactly. How do we know anything? SO what right do ANY of us have to guess at what the truth is, or put someone else in danger with such guesses? By the way, if she was raped or if she did have an affair and he wasn't the actual father, which presumably he doesnt know either, he has even LESS right to poke his nose in to her personal business because he wasn't even a potential father in the first place!

5, How do you know aliens did not remove the foetus for experimentation?

Once again, exactly, how do WE KNOW. We don't. We are ignorant of the truth. Therefore why are you showing support for the ignorant publication of personal information none of us know to be true. Would you like me to put a billboard up speculating about something in your medical history or personal life? Is that right, just and fair?

No, it's not. So why do you support someone else doing it?


This is the equivalent of bullying gossip on facebook. I hate gossips. I hate bullies. I hate injustice. And this story and the support of the guy maligning a woman when he has no clue of the truth has really annoyed me, as I am sure you can tell.

Thanks for the insight into your views on what fatherhood meant to this particular man. But I think I shall make up my own mind on his motives.

I wasn't referring to him in particular, I was referring to a general point of how some ex boyfriends behave, and believe me i have personal experience of it. Also I wasn't talking about fatherhood. I was talking about the way men behave as if they own a woman's body when they aren't even with her!

You have no idea about his motives. Just as I do not. I only know his ACTIONS are wrong, and the ends NEVER justify the means, nor do the intentions justify the actions.

Does the motive of a prostitute murderer, ie to save her soul or rid the world of evil, justify his actions by the way?

[DirectorDave]

YOu might have a point the day science makes contraception 100% effective Dave. News for you, it isn't. Even sterilisations fail.

It's not news to me.....one word "may".

My emphasis. WHat he thinks is totally irrelevant because he doesn't know. If i think you're a rapist does that entitle me to put up a billboard saying so merely because i think it???? No, because I have no evidence, and
therefore what I think and what he thinks is totally irrelevant.

You can think whatever you want about me, I really don't care, you are a no-mark on a website. We are talking about a pontential fathers child, not some pathetic acusation by someone I have never met.

You've obviously never been in an abusive relationship.

Now who is making assumptions? If I have or have not I certainly would not be revealing it on here.

You are as bad as him in condoning what he has done in my opinion. YOu have no evidence that this woman had an abortion and yet YOU DONT CARE that she might be in danger over something that might not even be true?

And you are worse than her.

You haven't addressed my other point. EVen if it could be established it was an abortion, you arent privy to the reasons or whether the baby was so badly disabled/dead in the first place etc, so how dare you assume that the woman has not/is not going through enough distress already and condone some ignorant idiot for heaping more such distress upon her.
Like I say, astounding.

And neither are you privy to it....so stop prentending you are not making assumptions too.

[babybird67]

It's not news to me.....one word "may".

Huh?

You can think whatever you want about me, I really don't care, you are a no-mark on a website. We are talking about a pontential fathers child, not some pathetic acusation by someone I have never met.

How do you know he was a potential father? It might not have been his child.

Now who is making assumptions? If I have or have not I certainly would not be revealing it on here.

HAHA! Exactly. You want the right not to have things revealed about you in public forums, yet you want to deny that to an innocent woman. Hypocritical, I think they call that.

And you are worse than her.

1, what has she done to make her 'bad'? What have I done to make me worse than her imaginary actions which make her bad? LOL! I am worse than a woman who had a miscarriage and is now being bullied by her ex and those who support him? I can live with that.

2. defending innocent people makes me worse than them? Right. Like the logic there.

And neither are you privy to it....so stop prentending you are not making assumptions too.

Do you not comprehend the argument here? WE DONT KNOW. WE dont know if it was a miscarriage, if it was an abortion and if there were medical reasons for it etc. I am not the one here condoning bullying, the publication of gossip and rumour etc. YOU ARE!

[DirectorDave]

]Huh?

Nevermind.

How do you know he was a potential father? It might not have been his child.

I don't......but I can only say I am taking this at face value so many times.

HAHA! Exactly. You want the right not to have things revealed about you in public forums, yet you want to deny that to an innocent woman. Hypocritical, I think they call that.

It would be hypocritical if I took actions to get what you wrote removed, but I didn't.....infact if you actually read what I wrote I said I did not care what a no-mark on a website wrote......so HAHA!

1, what has she done to make her 'bad'? What have I done to make me worse than her imaginary actions which make her bad? LOL! I am worse than a woman who had a miscarriage and is now being bullied by her ex and those who support him? I can live with that.

2. defending innocent people makes me worse than them? Right. Like the logic there.

I never said she was but, but if I can be worse than him for admiring an original and non-violent form of revenge.....I'm sure you can be worse than her.

Do you not comprehend the argument here? WE DONT KNOW. WE dont know if it was a miscarriage, if it was an abortion and if there were medical reasons for it etc. I am not the one here condoning bullying, the publication of gossip and rumour etc. YOU ARE!

Quite right, you are not condoning it you are activly taking part in it......and with all your HAHA's and LOL's you seem to be enjoying it......and the sad part it you don't even realise you are doing it.

[ChainzCooper]

Okay. Clearly I am not making myself understood. Let me try it this way.

There are crazy people out there on this issue. Violent crazy people. Like the ones who targeted me. And this is well known. When he put up the billboard about her, he made her a potential target of these people. That may not have been his intent, but he did. And if her real name can be found in a matter of minutes on google, then it does not matter that he did not name her explicitly. And however pissed he may be at her, and however rightfully so, there are reasons that there are such stringent privacy protections for women who get abortions. Because there are people out there more than willing to kill them for having done so. They are also willing to kill people who give abortions, people who assist, people who file documents, people who come in to get birth control, STD testing, yearly exams. They honestly believe that they should kill them all and let god sort them out.

I understand you sympathize with this man. Believe it or not, I do too. While I am absolutely pro-choice, I do believe that barring physical threat, men should have input into reproductive decisions. So I understand that he may be in a lot of pain. But his choice in revenge could put her in danger with the crazy people out there. If he wants to be pissed at her, I fully support him. If he wants to throw himself into anti-abortion protests and politics, I fully support him. If he is interested in something good coming from all this, god bless him in his efforts. This billboard won't heal him. It won't change things. And if a lunatic googles her and hurts her, which is not outside the realm of possibility, then he has some responsibility in that. Were I him, I would want to avoid that possibility.

I understand your position and its been a spirited debate
I guess now we can just agree to disagree
Jordan