Osama Bin Laden DEAD- Killed By U.S. Forces

[kensei]

Had a funny moment this evening after watching Obama's Bin Laden interview on the show "60 Minutes" with my girlfriend. I was telling her how frustrated I get repeatedly hearing Bin Laden referred to as the "mastermind" of 9-11 when he was only a facilitator who helped various conspirators get together and gave them money, etc.- a key player certainly, but hardly the "mastermind." And her comment was, "Ok, so they just killed Al Quaida's party planner!" I thought that was quite amusing and not a bad analogy.

[Red Zeppelin]

I think that is why President Obama is not releasing the "death pictures" and has clearly distanced himself from the "victory parties" that are going on. I think he has acted appropriately and in good taste; others, clearly have not.

President Obama doesn't know the meaning of the words "good taste". He's not doing what you said because of "good taste". Sheesh!

[Derrick]

Killed by Governments going to war surely? Military spending is not always for aggressive purposes. Its just as much defensive posturing.

If we had refused to arm to certain countries during the cold war it would have given the USSR freedom to have whatever countries it wished as regional powers throughout the globe. With all the ensuing human rights benefits that would have brought about.

I assume you were also against lend-lease during WW2?

What I have enboldened in your post is complete nonsense. The USSR finally buckled because it could not compete economically with the USA and it's client countries. The USSR put up the Iron Curtain to protect it's own interests.

The USSR was not ever going to go to war with China. And don't give us the usual crap about them both being communist countries. Both are facist regimes.

The USA and it's clients have committed more atrocities in the post war period than the USSR could ever have imagined....FACT. From Hiroshima and Nakasaka via Korea and Vietnam to Timor and Central America and the Middle East and Africa.

This doesn't include the USA's blind stance and fervent support of Israel's treatment of the Palestians since the formation of the Jewish state, which is the root of most of the problems in todays world mind set.

Read Chomsky, Pilger and Fisk if you don't believe me.

Fascism is fundamentally defined by having an aggressive foreign policy. Now work out how many countries in the world are actually fascist. Too many I would say. The UK is certainly one now.

Don't have nightmares.

Derrick.

[Derrick]

I find it rather perverse that the same people who condemn arms sales are usually the same people who condemn Hitler for being a Fascist Monster - and who incidentally was removed not by a piece of paper but by weapons.

The same sort of people led the marches in the 30's against rearmament which meant that when war broke out our troops had to face Hitler’s tanks with nothing more than rifles less powerful than an elephant gun and Messerschmitt 109's with bi-planes! My mother was one of them but after suffering months of daily bombing in Bristol admitted she might have been wrong!

The same attitude has killed scores of our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq by sending them out in lightly armoured Landover’s designed for use in the UK, against bombs that can destroy tanks!

The finest anti bomb vehicles were made by the South Africans and they had them on the shelf over thirty years ago. But we didn’t buy them; no we preferred to let our troops die in vehicles that were designed to protect the inhabitants from people throwing stones.

Hi Bob

This is cobblers.

As you well know your mothers situation is totally different to today. Hitler posed a direct threat to this country.

I have yet to see reports of either an Iraqi or Afghani blitzkreig over Tunbridge Wells or Guildford.

Your support of our government's aggressive stance towards countries that do not pose a direct threat to our shores is indicative of someone who perhaps should get out and embrace the world a little bit more.

But you may have a vested interest in the 20% of the UK's GDP which depends on arms exports. Do you?

Peace and love

Derrick

[jason_c]

What I have enboldened in your post is complete nonsense. The USSR finally buckled because it could not compete economically with the USA and it's client countries. The USSR put up the Iron Curtain to protect it's own interests.

The USSR was not ever going to go to war with China. And don't give us the usual crap about them both being communist countries. Both are facist regimes.

The USA and it's clients have committed more atrocities in the post war period than the USSR could ever have imagined....FACT. From Hiroshima and Nakasaka via Korea and Vietnam to Timor and Central America and the Middle East and Africa.

This doesn't include the USA's blind stance and fervent support of Israel's treatment of the Palestians since the formation of the Jewish state, which is the root of most of the problems in todays world mind set.

Read Chomsky, Pilger and Fisk if you don't believe me.

Fascism is fundamentally defined by having an aggressive foreign policy. Now work out how many countries in the world are actually fascist. Too many I would say. The UK is certainly one now.

Don't have nightmares.

Derrick.

Ive highlighted the text I find particularly stupid.

[jason_c]

Hi Bob

This is cobblers.

As you well know your mothers situation is totally different to today. Hitler posed a direct threat to this country.

I have yet to see reports of either an Iraqi or Afghani blitzkreig over Tunbridge Wells or Guildford.

Your support of our government's aggressive stance towards countries that do not pose a direct threat to our shores is indicative of someone who perhaps should get out and embrace the world a little bit more.

But you may have a vested interest in the 20% of the UK's GDP which depends on arms exports. Do you?

Peace and love

Derrick

He was a direct threat by invading Poland?

Please stop rewriting history.

[cappuccina]

Actually, truth be told, Hitler was, in large part, also brought down by a small group of highly educated mathematicians and the like....the Enigma "Ultra" group...

Alan Turing and Marian Rejewski, primarily...

[Red Zeppelin]

Actually, truth be told, Hitler was, in large part, also brought down by a small group of highly educated mathematicians and the like....the Enigma "Ultra" group...

Alan Turing and Marian Rejewski, primarily...

Nazi Germany was brought down largely by Hitler himself and actual allied forces in battle.

The Enigma code breakers get way too much credit. It wasn't the Enigma code breakers responsible for Soviet victory in the east.

[Bob Hinton]

Oh really...

Actually, truth be told, Hitler was, in large part, also brought down by a small group of highly educated mathematicians and the like....the Enigma "Ultra" group...

Alan Turing and Marian Rejewski, primarily...

No Hitler was defeated by men with guns willing to stand up to him and say no. If you doubt me take away the men with guns and then say Hitler would have wrapped his hand in because someone broke his code.

[Bob Hinton]

Derrick who?

Little man if you want to have a pop at me be warned I play by big boys rules.

By your immature naivety and abysmal ignorance I am assuming you are about ten years of age with a very poor education.

Let us start with your ignorance.

Hitler posed a direct threat to this country.

No in fact the last thing Hitler wanted was to fight a war on two fronts. That is why he offered terms to Britain on several occasions. He also gambled on the fact that because Britain hadn’t actually signed the treaty with Poland we wouldn’t come to its aid.

The USA and it's clients have committed more atrocities in the post war period than the USSR could ever have imagined....FACT. From Hiroshima and Nakasaka via Korea and Vietnam to Timor and Central America and the Middle East and Africa.

So according to you the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (at least learn how to spell the names you are throwing at us) were ‘atrocities in the post war period’? The bombs were dropped on August 6th and August 9th 1945. The war ended on September 2nd 1945; therefore these bombings were not ‘post-war’ but perfectly legitimate actions of war.

And Korea was all down to the Yanks was it? I suppose you’re going to say they invited the North Koreans to a barbeque on the 25th June 1950 and were really surprised when they all showed up with their entire army? By the way North Korea was supported in this war with troops and equipment by those two fun loving, peace hugging countries the USSR and China!

I have yet to see reports of either an Iraqi or Afghani blitzkreig over Tunbridge Wells or Guildford

Really? Where were you on July 7th 2005?

This doesn't include the USA's blind stance and fervent support of Israel's treatment of the Palestians since the formation of the Jewish state, which is the root of most of the problems in todays world mind set.


And what about the USSR’s wars by proxy all over the world? Practically every picture or film you see of terrorists show them with Russian weapons not American.

Well that’s enough of that now let’s go on to your childish naivety.

The USSR put up the Iron Curtain to protect it's own interests.

Really? So all those walls, minefields, watchtowers and electrified fences were to keep people out of the USSR? Silly me I thought it was to keep people in. Strange you think it’s alright for the USSR to invade and occupy all those countries, but you think it’s totally wrong for the Americans to support the Israelis. I wonder why you think that?

indicative of someone who perhaps should get out and embrace the world a little bit more.

Little man I have travelled this world more times than you have wiped your backside ( which judging by the amount of cr8p you are producing is quite a few times – oh I forgot I expect Mummy does it for you) and I have to say 99% of the people I have met have been just great. Of course there is always the 1% who want to murder and terrorise others – and their lame brained supporters.

Don't have nightmares.

Never do – although I have seen things that would make an eggplant like you wet yourself!

So little man do yourself a favour and don’t try and play with the grownups until you are at least 12 – oh and do try and get the spelling right – ask an adult I’m sure they will be only too happy to help!

[Limehouse]

No Hitler was defeated by men with guns willing to stand up to him and say no. If you doubt me take away the men with guns and then say Hitler would have wrapped his hand in because someone broke his code.

The men with guns - and those dropping bombs - defeated Hitler - and there were a good few women involved too. My neighbour was in the aircraft supporting the aircrew.

Also helping to win the war were hundreds of thousands of people who could not play a part in the air and land battles but did their parts nevertheless. These include anit-aircraft crews who defended these shores.

There were brave souls who went into buildings and bomb sites to rescue injured and recover the dead. My own mother was a firewoman as her place of work had its own fire crews.

Women were called up into various occupations - including munitions - a very dangerous job. Others made parts for aircraft or kept essential services going whilst the men were away.

We owe an enormous debt to the men and women and children who endured WW2 to prevent a madman from speading his deranged regime further.

[jason_c]

The men with guns - and those dropping bombs - defeated Hitler - and there were a good few women involved too. My neighbour was in the aircraft supporting the aircrew.

Also helping to win the war were hundreds of thousands of people who could not play a part in the air and land battles but did their parts nevertheless. These include anit-aircraft crews who defended these shores.

There were brave souls who went into buildings and bomb sites to rescue injured and recover the dead. My own mother was a firewoman as her place of work had its own fire crews.

Women were called up into various occupations - including munitions - a very dangerous job. Others made parts for aircraft or kept essential services going whilst the men were away.

We owe an enormous debt to the men and women and children who endured WW2 to prevent a madman from speading his deranged regime further.

Western Europe and the far east owe them much, Eastern Europe less so. A deranged madman did spread his regime quite a bit further, as far as central Germany I believe.

We in the West are often criticized for overlooking Russia's part in WW2. We overlook even more Eastern Europes predicament post war.

[Canopy]

I fear the retalliation by his supporters.I am genuinley scared of what is going to happen to the world now

AYE! Me too - stupid to believe that they'll all go crawling into dark corners and not come back with some sort of "victory"...Don't believe that for a second!!! Very glad that I now live in Asia and so only have to worry about my extended family should they manage to put "victory" into force...However, I fear that this move by the US will not pass for long without heavy cost!!! STAY SAFE all living in the vicinity of retalliation!!!

C.x

[Bob Hinton]

Limehouse post Hear Hear!

[cappuccina]

Excellent post, Limehouse!

Ummmm, Bobbie, dear, they wouldn't have had strategic information about where to go/deploy, etc. as well as some strategic timing WITHOUT the Enigma information....

Enigma provided the Allies with sensitive and strategic inforamtion that greatly aided in their decision making vis a vis where and how to use troops....the troop commanders themselves reiterated this...

Again, this involves logical thinking, not responding emotionally without thinking things through...

My husband's two uncles who were in WWII, one of whom was part of the Normandy Invasion, and was later a guard/MP at the Nuremburg trials, said exactly this as well...

In other words, Bobs, the two things are not mutually exclusive,rather they are i-n-t-e-r-c-o-n-n-e-c-t-e-d...