Leslie Van Houten should be released on parole

[DVV]

Well finally.

Okay, next step. Which part of "He was wrong" is still eluding you?

Oh...

He wasn't wrong, nor right, in legal terms...
He pointed out a contradiction in the parole system, with good reason, in my opinion.
That the parole board can rule Leslie out on the sole basis of the crime seems indeed legal, but I maintain that the primary purpose of a parole board has to be about the inmate improvement, dangerosity, understanding, etc.
And that is exactly what Krug meant.

Is that why you still call me a liar ?
Well... what can I say...

[Magpie]

I just deleted a post for the sake of avoiding further confrontation.

My apologies.

[Ally]

Oh, Ally

You shouldn't assume; Leslie is my cocker spaniel, the catcher got the poor girl and even though it's only the price of a pint, I can't get her out 'til Friday. Pay day you know...

I am going to love this Forum, by the time I get home from work, it's late over there and have of ya'll are drunk!

Good night my new friends,

FreeLeslie

I assume that was your attempt at humor. I understand how you'd resort it to it, since the facts aren't on your side.

[Ally]

Ally, of course Manson is more guilty.
He planned the murders.
Who, when and where.

Believe it or not, but as rotten as a SS could be, he can't be as much guilty as Hitler himself, for example.

Manson is not the leader of a country. They were not soldiers following orders. They were not bound by a chain of command, oath to country or threat of death. He was a man with no power except what they gave him. They were men and women with free will. They did not have to obey him. They did not have to be led by him.

What he plans is irrelevant without them choosing of their own free will to carry it out. They could have walked away. They chose what they did. His plans are irrelevant.

[Magpie]

Yes, Krug WAS talking about law - I never said he was making the law, nor that his words are LAW in themselves.

Well finally.

Okay, next step. Which part of "He was wrong" is still eluding you?

[Magpie]

Even yesterday you said I was a liar.
You said it many times, in fact.
As I have made it clear, I've never lied regarding Krug.
I find his statement interesting, and part of the discussion.

Liar is an insult I resent very much.
And you said it (several times) far before my "bastard".

I called you a liar because you lied, and I provided the verbatim posts to show exactly how you lied.

Let's be clear: You said Krug made a legally ruling about Leslie, so I provided evidence that his ruling was overturned. So you said you never claimed it was a legal ruling, and I provided the post where you claimed exactly that.

[DVV]

You lie:



And have never "lied". Misunderstood something, may be...But lying, certainly not, in spite of your repeated insults.

Unless you can explain to me what it is you don't understand about "The Appeal Court said Krug was wrong" then it is not "misundertanding", it is lying by way of willful ignorance.[/QUOTE]

No, hundred times, no.

Yes, Krug WAS talking about law - I never said he was making the law, nor that his words are LAW in themselves.

that she or he chose to identify themselves as FreeLeslie as i had a choice..

Oh, Ally

You shouldn't assume; Leslie is my cocker spaniel, the catcher got the poor girl and even though it's only the price of a pint, I can't get her out 'til Friday. Pay day you know...

I am going to love this Forum, by the time I get home from work, it's late over there and have of ya'll are drunk!

Good night my new friends,

FreeLeslie

[DVV]

Ally, of course Manson is more guilty.
He planned the murders.
Who, when and where.

Believe it or not, but as rotten as a SS could be, he can't be as much guilty as Hitler himself, for example.

[DVV]

Gee, now who's stooping to insults?

Even yesterday you said I was a liar.
You said it many times, in fact.
As I have made it clear, I've never lied regarding Krug.
I find his statement interesting, and part of the discussion.

Liar is an insult I resent very much.
And you said it (several times) far before my "bastard".

[DVV]

Which is not what you've claimed.

It is not a difference of opinion. You've repeatedly represented Krug's statements as a legal ruling that applies to Leslie's case. You've been informed of your error. This is the first time that you've admitted that the parole board has every right to do what they've done. You keep repeating all this knowing that you are factually wrong. You are lying.

What ??
"Legal rulings"??
Am I an expert in Californian law ??
I just think a judge knows a bit about law.

And have never "lied". Misunderstood something, may be...But lying, certainly not, in spite of your repeated insults.

[Ally]

My English is poor, but I guess "loony fringe" wasn't a compliment.

No it wasn't a compliment but it has nothing to do with whether someone agrees with me or not. When someone comes on the boards and chooses a username you can assume something about them from that username. The fact that she or he chose to identify themselves as FreeLeslie as if they were some mindless, fanatical drone rather than an independent person proves they are less a person than a cause and thus, the lunatic fringe.

Perhaps, but the more guilty of all is Manson. Then we have Tex, Susan....and at the bottom of the list, Leslie.

No Manson is not the most guilty of all. They are all equally guilty. No one forced them to do anything. They were adults. They ALL had a choice. Dozens of people came into the camp of Manson and left. They had that option too. It was their own weak characters and lack of ethics that led them individually to choosing to slaughter people. They are all equal in action, thought and deed.

[Magpie]

It's a pleasure to discuss with you, little bastard.

Gee, now who's stooping to insults?

[Magpie]

I

And, even though they can deny her parole because of the nature of the crime (I know this very well...indeed, they have no other argument to come with), judge Krug has pointed out a patent contradiction.

Which is not what you've claimed.

It is not a difference of opinion. You've repeatedly represented Krug's statements as a legal ruling that applies to Leslie's case. You've been informed of your error. This is the first time that you've admitted that the parole board has every right to do what they've done. You keep repeating all this knowing that you are factually wrong. You are lying.

[DVV]

You're lying. For reasons amply illustrated.

Gee, that's a lot easier.

It's a pleasure to discuss with you, little bastard.