On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Graham]

Mr O,

Is the McCrone Group the American company that deals in precision microscopes and other analytical equipment?

Graham

[Victoria]

Good on you John for contacting Keith, that is
certainly a step in the right direction.
Seems like there is 'something' happening at his end.

I would suspect though that the "might have been more
forthcoming" .. would only apply to you, if you had stayed
on good terms with him, and then you would be in his
'inner circle' along with Caz.
Then you would know the same amount of secret squirrel info as Caz ..
and be under the same secret oath of silence.

[Maria]

Victoria:

The trouble with this, is that at the time of the Liverpool trial, Keith claimed to have incontrovertible evidence which proved that the diary came from Battlecrease.

Now he says that its " an ongoing investigation " so one statement contradicts the other completely.

Keith is now saying he doesn´t have the evidence which proves the diary came from Battlecrease and just like I thought, that evidence does not exist.

Maria

[Omlor]

Graham,

Yup, it's these guys... http://www.mccroneassociates.com/

They worked on the Shroud and the Zapruder film, etc.

--John

PS: "secret oath of silence" -- I like that phrase, it sounds so dramatic. Maria, I suspect Keith is saying he has the evidence but he just won't tell us what it is (despite already having told everyone what it says) because that would somehow "compromise" other parts of the so-called "ongoing investigation" (which has now been "ongoing" for more than a decade). It's a vague, oddly charming, and apparently endless way of talking about all of this that, like politician-speak, offers words but tells us nothing.

[Maria]

Graham:

Mc Crone also worked on the Vineland Map forgery. Sadly, the main scientist of that firm and who was interested in testing the diary has now died as well.

Maria

[Maria]

John:

Can you show me in which paragraph Keith says that he has the evidence ?
Of course, as Caroline warned us, we must not take Keith on his word for what he claims.

Maria

[dougie]

Omlor,
Sadly, it seems your e-mail was a waste of time,but at least you made the effort to unravel this "mystery".I cant see that, based on the evidence of the reply you received, that you or (almost) anyone else is ever going to recieve a satisfactory answer. I imagine you are familiar with the phrase "flogging a dead horse",maybe that is the case here.
I love the "secret squirrel" phrase by the way...may I ask who coined it?
regards

[Omlor]

Hi Dougie,

Well, I have to give credit where credit is due. The phrase "secret squirrel" used in this conversational way was (and still is) a favorite coinage of a woman named Dr. Lisa Starks. She is a professor of literature and well-respected Shakespeare scholar (who has published, incidentally on Crashaw as well) and chairman of the English department at the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. She is also my good friend and my ex-wife (both). She used to use the phrase all the time and I sort of picked it up by habit (the way you do when you live with someone).

It all goes back, of course, to a real character. Secret Squirrel was a noted cartoon secret agent who, with his sidekick, Morocco Mole, fought all sorts of evil-doers. You can find his image in many places on the web (a Google image search will show you) and I know there is even a Secret Squirrel bobble-head doll available online.

Anyway, I think it's the perfect phrase for all the melodramatic intrigue and secret nonsense and endless "ongoing investigations" surrounding these two cheap hoaxes.

All the best,

--John

[Omlor]

Hello everyone,



GREETINGS!




That's right!

Believe it or not, here it is once again July 14th at 7:58 am.

It is staggering to think that another full year has passed us by.

For those of you who don’t remember the beginning of it all, you should know that FOUR YEARS AGO, on Wednesday July 14th, 2004 at 7:58 am, the first annual DITA Day was born.

Of course this was a full year after July 14th, 2003, when the words that gave DITA Day its reason for being first appeared here at the Casebook. That was FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY.

Who would have guessed that a full five years later, we’d still be here and the situation would still be exactly the same?

And so, in the name of what now actually qualifies as nostalgia, here again, in all its celebratory glory, is the first official post of the first DITA day. Newcomers and those unfamiliar with this very special holiday are urged to read it and enjoy the good old days...


http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4469/18454.html


All done?

Well, we are still here.

And since that time, of course, we have been delighted on subsequent DITA Days by the presence of the official Diary World mascot, that walking symbol of pure Imagination – Figment!



So he too is here once again to wish you all the happiest of days and to remind you and Diary Worlders everywhere around the whole wide wonderful world that there is still, after all these years spent waiting for the thorough and rigorous testing of both of these suspicious artefacts to take place…

Nothing new and nothing real.

Let the celebrations commence!

--John

[dougie]

A rousing chorus of "Auld lang syne" might be in order here...followed by a feast of chestnuts..or whatever it is squirrels eat.

[steje73]

Of course there are loads of squirrels. Diary World is where all the nuts are.

[Omlor]

Indeed. This place has long abounded in squirrels and nuts.

Perhaps that explains why so many little kernels of alleged knowledge and "investigation" are forever kept hidden, secreted away for a season that, as we can see by the passing of DITA Day after DITA day, never actually arrives.

Here's to a great sixth year,

--John

[Victoria]

Happy DITA Day ..

to all of us .. nuts and squirrels alike!

very enjoyable reading John, I thank you for the 'history' lesson of
this most important and prestigous event.

So many good bits .. here are just a couple that I especially liked ..

"good and true men and women shall gather in the spirit of circular
craziness that is our wont ..."

"Here at Diary World we love all you people. Honestly, we do. Even those
with whom we fight and argue, even those we don't love, we really love.
Our lives would be just a bit emptier without you."

"DITA Day incidentally, is proudly sponsored by Guinness"

Maybe some of those chestnuts that dougie suggested, would go
down well with the Guinness.

Enjoy your day everyone ..

Victoria
ps. It is a shame Caz is away on holiday, and missing the celebrations,
hopefully she will remember the day, and it will bring a smile to her face.

[dougie]

Although I freely admit I know almost nothing about the Diary or its provenance or authenticity (or non-authenticity),apart from reading the first chapter some years ago,I really cant help wondering why someone would inform others about the secret details they possess,and then not divulge those secrets.I mean why bring it up in the first place if its such a secret? if no-one is going to be allowed into the "inner sanctum", then it seems pretty pointless to me.Is it merely another example of the "I know something that you dont" syndrome...or what?
Having said that Im glad the "nuts havent been harvested" cos its such an entertaining thread....I particularly like Omlors dry sense of humour.....it doesnt seem to go down well with some here,but Ive enjoyed it.....for some strange reason,of late I keep finding myself humming that old song "here we go gathering nuts in may- nuts in may-nuts in may"....cant think why.

[caz]

Well I'm back folks and I can see that Omlor now has at least three impressed fans (or should that be impressionable?): Maria, Victoria and Dougie, no less.

Wow.

Not bad going at all after only a few years.

Caz,

Does Keith say precisely when he came by the information he claims links the Diary to Battlecrease? Maybe this has been stated on these boards in the past, but if so I missed it.

Cheers,

Graham

Hi Graham,

No, this would not have been stated on the boards and Keith has not said publicly when he came by his Battlecrease information.

Victoria:

The trouble with this, is that at the time of the Liverpool trial, Keith claimed to have incontrovertible evidence which proved that the diary came from Battlecrease.

Now he says that its " an ongoing investigation " so one statement contradicts the other completely.

Keith is now saying he doesn´t have the evidence which proves the diary came from Battlecrease and just like I thought, that evidence does not exist.

Maria

Maria,

Firstly it would help if you didn't keep making up new versions of what you think Keith said each time you post.

Secondly, proof that the diary came from Battlecrease would not, in any way, shape or form stop this investigation from being an 'ongoing' one. The investigation is ongoing all the while the creator(s) of the diary and watch remain unidentified, and all the while no dates have been established for their creation. Why is this so hard for a modern hoax believer like yourself to grasp? Why do you keep equating the diary coming out of Battlecrease with 'game over'?

PS: "secret oath of silence" -- I like that phrase, it sounds so dramatic. Maria, I suspect Keith is saying he has the evidence but he just won't tell us what it is (despite already having told everyone what it says) because that would somehow "compromise" other parts of the so-called "ongoing investigation" (which has now been "ongoing" for more than a decade). It's a vague, oddly charming, and apparently endless way of talking about all of this that, like politician-speak, offers words but tells us nothing.

Maybe Steve Powell's Thespian bent is rubbing off on Victoria.

Omlor,

Your last sentence here is interesting in view of what you put in your own words before deciding to do precisely what Keith suggested, and copying and pasting the recent email exchange you had with him - a simple act that hardly kills any time at all, but at least offers everyone the opportunity to read what was actually said by both parties.

By the way, I notice you still dodge the questions about how much you were prepared to invest in the event that McCrone had come up with a testing proposal, and what percentage of the total cost that might have been. While I imagine that someone could be compromised if you responded openly and honestly, your failure to respond at all could leave the impression that you had no clue how much McCrone might have charged for their services, or they gave you a very good clue, which gave you cold feet about two minutes into proceedings.

While we are on the subject of diary testing awareness in general, why are you still in total denial concerning Dr Platt? Anyone would think you were blissfully unaware that he was invited to test the diary and it was agreed beforehand that his findings would be published.

One thing that really does surprise me is that you have such trouble with the concept of a live investigation being compromised by revealing too much information to the public too soon - or indeed by explaining precisely why the investigation would be compromised. Have you no imagination at all, beyond your 100% certainty that the truth has to involve hoaxers working after 1987?

What's done cannot be undone, and that applies as much to where the diary came from as it does to what Keith said about it at the trial.

It's a pity you display no curiosity about the former while remaining preoccupied with the latter to the point of obsession.

Love,

Caz
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