On The Trail Of The Forgers

[caz]

Good morning cowgirl Caz,

Maria's line, "It did not show both sides of the debate because
most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris,
Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall".

Maybe everyone is over reacting here, quite possibly her statement was
a general comment, including you (even though you didn't speak) .. because of your
association with Keith, and because of that association, you hold the same views.
I say that because you both wrote a book together, so one would think
that you were not at odds with each other, but of the same views on the topic, and Keith did the speaking.

She also wrote a long post, and sometimes spelling out every dot and comma, can be tedious.
Maria is not a deliberate liar, and then neither are you.

cowgirl,
Victoria

Hi Victoria,

Maybe the reason you are now assuming things about me and Keith which are not true is because of the lies Maria has been telling, either deliberately, or from a genuine inability to distinguish fact from fantasy.

If her fellow modern hoax believers have any respect at all for her, or themselves, or indeed (as they constantly claim) the truth, one of them will surely have a quiet word with her to explain that the only name she is blackening by making things up about people is her own.

But maybe they don't care as much as they like to claim.

Caz

[Maria]

Victoria:

The trouble is that you have not been here as long as I have... to say whether Caz is honest or not.
I have. So I know exactly what went on and how.

The past has consecuences and it leaves trails. Whatever a person says or does has to be proved. If you say anything you " remember " it has no value whatsoever except for yourself but not to others.

All the actions from the past have consecuences which we have to live in the present and the future so this thing about the past doesn´t exist is simply and purely jiberish nonsense, the past can come to haunt you specially if you have acted improperly.

So far... the way I do see things here is that Stephen Powell asked Peter to look for the details of Stephen Park and Peter did find a man with the same name, the same parents born at the right place which proves that Stephen Park does exist somewhere even though his whereabouts at the moment are unknown. Second. Stephen Powell mentioned that Paul Feldman went to Australia, during one of the Ripper conferences I heard the same, so did Peter so... so far, for me at least, that part is true. But more evidence has to be put forward.

-Maria

[Victoria]

Plang oh Plang,

I see it like this, everything happens in the moment now.
The past 'happened' in the moment now. The past does not
really exist because we are only 'remembering' it in the
moment now. The past is not happening 'now' .. neither is
the future. You can not show me the past, nor change something
from the past .. you can only remember it now.
One could argue that it has a 'relative' existance.
For something to 'really' exist it has to always be .. such as the
moment now.

"This one moment - Now - is the only thing you can never escape from,
the one constant factor in your life. No matter what happens, no matter how
much your life changes, one thing is certain: it's always Now".
"The division of life into past, present, and future is mind-made and
ultimately illusory. So the only thing that is real, the only thing there ever
is, is the Now".
from 'Stillness Speaks' ~ Eckhart Tolle

Just the way I see it, and a lot of others .. hope it's not confusing.
By the way Plang, Eckhart Tolle .. lives near you .. Vancouver, British
Columbia.

~ Victoria,Victoria

[plang]

Victoria,Victoria, the past exists, as to the future, who knows?
Please tell.

[Omlor]

Indeed, boys....

"Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow...."

And we all know what order is given when Major Strasser is shot...

--John

[Victoria]

Good morning cowgirl Caz,

Maria's line, "It did not show both sides of the debate because
most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris,
Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall".

Maybe everyone is over reacting here, quite possibly her statement was
a general comment, including you (even though you didn't speak) .. because of your
association with Keith, and because of that association, you hold the same views.
I say that because you both wrote a book together, so one would think
that you were not at odds with each other, but of the same views on the topic, and Keith did the speaking.

She also wrote a long post, and sometimes spelling out every dot and comma, can be tedious.
Maria is not a deliberate liar, and then neither are you.

cowgirl,
Victoria

[rjpalmer]

I can almost here it now...

You must remember this
A list is still a list...

[Tom_Wescott]

I agree with RJ....Say it again, Sam.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[rjpalmer]

As Time Goes By...

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

And here I thought that was a line from Casablanca...

[Omlor]

Since not very much of any importance seems to be happening around here these days, I thought I'd offer the following very intelligent and pertinent question. I came across it written within a different discussion about a different Ripper suspect on a different website.

I thought it was wise.

So I'll just quote it as it appeared there.

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

It's a good question, even for people who are not named Sam.

--John

[caz]

Read my post again, Maria.

I called you a liar for three very specific claims you made about me, in relation to an event which you did not even attend.

If you are saying that I did speak at the event as a pro-diarist and was paid for doing so, then you are the liar, not me. And you are a very stupid one, since everyone who did attend now knows you tell stupid lies about people, even if they only suspected as much before.

Get a grip, woman, and think of how your own lack of credibility rubs off on the poor sods you choose to side with.

Caz

[Maria]

Caz:

I do remember when the details of this event were published at Casebook.

It was a public announcement. The tickets were selling for 43 pounds and it purported to be for charity.

The advert was a bogus one when it claimed it was raising funds for a charity when one of the charities denied having been contacted to be supposedly benefiting.

That is all true. I would say.... you are the liar.

-Maria

[caz]

Morning Cowboys and Cowgirls,

If one really can judge someone by the company they keep, then the moment Maria calls me "friend" is the moment I know I'm doing something hideously wrong. Until then, Maria's misinformation wagon can roll on with no danger to anyone but herself and the poor sods she chooses to hitch up with. They can instantly be recognised by the sign they carry:

When it is a genuine charity event, the speakers donate their time and do not charge for their lecture. This is not the way it happened here.

It did not show both sides of the debate because most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris, Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall.

As far as you can recall, Maria??? You were not even there and you keep making up lies about me. You accuse me here of:

1) being 'pro-diary' (not swallowing all the crap I've had to read from modern hoax conspiracy theorists does not make me 'pro-diary')

2) speaking at the trial (I would sooner have stuck rusty pins in my eyes)

3) charging for it (again, I would sooner stick rusty pins in my eyes than be paid for delivering a public lecture)

Now get your facts sorted out and stop these nasty vicious lies. They can only make you look ten times worse than the very people you seek to malign.

Caz

[Victoria]

Yes Plang,

you've got it! .. Artificial time .. that's all it is.
Past, future .. do not really exist,
only this precious, present moment .. Now.

enjoy ..
Victoria

[plang]

Victoria,Victoria, In artificial time, you are way ahead.
In past time, you live in the land of convicts.