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  • Originally posted by RonIpstone View Post
    Jim Hanratty, a working class hero?
    Blessed are the murderers and rapists, for they shall inherit the ardour and love of the misguided, Ron.
    babybird

    There is only one happiness in life葉o love and be loved.

    George Sand

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    • Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
      Yes, there were some great singers and songs .Personally I like "Working Class Hero" and "Imagine" of Lennon"s best of all.But Dylan still reigns supreme for me in terms of all round -everything---especially making such an art of the words and the music..
      Can't argue with you about that Norma. From "A hard rain's gonna fall" to "Positively 4th Street" his output is prodigious. How any one musical genius is able to produce so much quality decade after decade is truly awe inspiring.

      A nice touch from Dylan a few months back travelling incognito on the Beatles tour bus in Liverpool, which took in John's home on Menlove Avenue. His own little tribute to his friend John Lennon, another music great and sadly missed. My personal favourite of John's is "#9 Dream" followed very closely by "Imagine."

      I wonder if John's documentary about the A6 murder will ever see the light of day ?
      Last edited by jimarilyn; 03-03-2011, 05:23 PM.

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      • Originally posted by babybird67 View Post
        Blessed are the murderers and rapists, for they shall inherit the ardour and love of the misguided, Ron.
        What rubbish!

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        • Thanks Jim! I never knew that about Dylan. It doesn"t surprise me but how sweet of Dylan to visit John"s birthplace.What I loved about him recently was when he was asked who or what was his greatest inspiration and he replied that it was Robert Burns ,and especially his song,"My Love is Like a Red Red Rose".Robert Burns wrote some fantastic songs too.

          Here is John again....imagining!


          Imagine there's no Heaven
          It's easy if you try
          No hell below us
          Above us only sky
          Imagine all the people
          Living for today

          Imagine there's no countries
          It isn't hard to do
          Nothing to kill or die for
          And no religion too
          Imagine all the people
          Living life in peace

          You may say that I'm a dreamer
          But I'm not the only one
          I hope someday you'll join us
          And the world will be as one

          Imagine no possessions
          I wonder if you can
          No need for greed or hunger
          A brotherhood of man
          Imagine all the people
          Sharing all the world

          You may say that I'm a dreamer
          But I'm not the only one
          I hope someday you'll join us
          And the world will live as one

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          • Have you ever seen John"s documentary on Hanratty Jim? I would like to know if its available anywhere.

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            • If we are all going to post pointless lyrics, then one of my favourite popular airs of the last fifty years is Spitting Images' Chicken Song.




              Its the time of year

              Now that Spring is in the air

              When those two wet gits with their girly curly hair

              Make another song for moronic holidays

              That nauseate-ate-ate

              In a million different ways

              From the shores of Spain

              To the coast of Southern France

              No matter where you hide

              You just can't escape this dance



              Hold a chicken in the air

              Stick a deckchair up your nose

              Buy a jumbo jet

              And then bury all your clothes

              Paint your left knee green

              Then extract your wisdom teeth

              Form a string quartet

              And pretend your name is Keith



              Skin yourself alive

              Learn to speak Arapahoe

              Climb inside a dog

              And behead an eskimo

              Eat a Renault Four with salami in your ears

              Casserole your gran

              Disembowel yourself with spears



              The disco is vibrating

              The sound is loud and grating

              Its truly nauseating

              Let's do the dance again



              Hold a chicken in the air

              Stick a deckchair up your nose

              Yes you'll hear this song in the holiday discos

              And there's no escape in the clubs or in the bars

              You would hear this song if you holidayed in Mars



              Skin yourself alive

              Learn to speak Arapahoe

              Climb inside a dog

              And behead an eskimo

              Now you've heard it once

              Your brain will spring a leak

              And though you hate this song

              You'll be humming it for weeks



              Hold a chicken in the air

              Stick a deckchair up your nose

              Buy a jumbo jet

              And then bury all your clothes

              La la la la la

              La la la la la la la

              La la la la la

              La la la la la la laaaaaaa

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              • Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
                Have you ever seen John"s documentary on Hanratty Jim? I would like to know if its available anywhere.

                I can't say I have, Norma. What I did get to know is that it's some 40 odd minutes in length and was made around 1970/71. John and Yoko strongly believed in Hanratty's innocence and had just reason to do so.

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                • here's what Dylan thought of murder and murderers

                  "The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll"




                  William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
                  With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger
                  At a Baltimore hotel society gath'rin'
                  And the cops were called in and his weapon took from him
                  As they rode him in custody down to the station
                  And booked William Zanzinger for first-degree murder
                  But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
                  Take the rag away from your face
                  Now ain't the time for your tears.

                  William Zanzinger who at twenty-four years
                  Owns a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
                  With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
                  And high office relations in the politics of Maryland
                  Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
                  And swear words and sneering and his tongue it was snarling
                  In a matter of minutes on bail was out walking
                  But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
                  Take the rag away from your face
                  Now ain't the time for your tears.

                  Hattie Carroll was a maid in the kitchen
                  She was fifty-one years old and gave birth to ten children
                  Who carried the dishes and took out the garbage
                  And never sat once at the head of the table
                  And didn't even talk to the people at the table
                  Who just cleaned up all the food from the table
                  And emptied the ashtrays on a whole other level
                  Got killed by a blow, lay slain by a cane
                  That sailed through the air and came down through the room
                  Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle
                  And she never done nothing to William Zanzinger
                  And you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
                  Take the rag away from your face
                  Now ain't the time for your tears.

                  In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
                  To show that all's equal and that the courts are on the level
                  And that the strings in the books ain't pulled and persuaded
                  And that even the nobles get properly handled
                  Once that the cops have chased after and caught 'em
                  And that ladder of law has no top and no bottom
                  Stared at the person who killed for no reason
                  Who just happened to be feelin' that way witout warnin'
                  And he spoke through his cloak, most deep and distinguished
                  And handed out strongly, for penalty and repentance
                  William Zanzinger with a six-month sentence
                  Oh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fearsv
                  Bury the rag deep in your face
                  For now's the time for your tears.


                  That was a REAL miscarriage of justice. I wonder what he would write about Hanratty. And I wonder why the Lennon's suddenly went silent on the Hanratty case?
                  babybird

                  There is only one happiness in life葉o love and be loved.

                  George Sand

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                  • lol Ron

                    *grabs hold of you and starts dancing*

                    do do do, come on and do the conga...choo choo choo a train across the floor.

                    Jen x
                    babybird

                    There is only one happiness in life葉o love and be loved.

                    George Sand

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                    • Dylan also recorded Joan Baez's Prison Trilogy
                      and the chorus is thus:

                      And we're gonna raze, raze the prisons
                      To the ground
                      Help us raze, raze the prisons
                      To the ground

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                      • Originally posted by babybird67 View Post
                        Blessed are the murderers and rapists, for they shall inherit the ardour and love of the misguided, Ron.
                        There shouldn't be a comma after misguided.

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                        • Originally posted by jimarilyn View Post
                          There shouldn't be a comma after misguided.
                          Yes there should Jim. Back to school for you!
                          babybird

                          There is only one happiness in life葉o love and be loved.

                          George Sand

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                          • Originally posted by Limehouse View Post
                            Dylan also recorded Joan Baez's Prison Trilogy
                            and the chorus is thus:

                            And we're gonna raze, raze the prisons
                            To the ground
                            Help us raze, raze the prisons
                            To the ground
                            Yes I am sure he, like all the right minded, would want murderers, rapists and paedophiles walking our streets. Good call.
                            babybird

                            There is only one happiness in life葉o love and be loved.

                            George Sand

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                            • Originally posted by jimarilyn View Post
                              There shouldn't be a comma after misguided.

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                              • Babybird! I do like what you posted but I doubt very much indeed that Bob Dylan would have differed from John Lennon in his views about the trial of James Hanratty -had he known much about it .As far as I know Lennon never changed his mind at all about the case ----and don't forget he was murdered himself 30 years ago so he couldn"t very well continue to clear James Hanratty from the grave.

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