A6 murder and the 1967 Nimmo Inquiry

[jimarilyn]

From Olive Dinwoodie's 17-Oct statement:

"It was definitely the Monday because I was alone on the Tuesday. My grand-daughter was only with me on the Monday."

Hanratty was in London on the Monday.

Mrs Dinwoodie's granddaughter Barbara [Ford] and Barbara's friend Linda [Walton] called into the sweetshop on the Tuesday afternoon/early evening on their way back from Liverpool City centre. On this occasion Barbara ventured behind the counter from time to time to serve children sweets.

It's quite revealing to recall what Acott had to say.........

"If Mrs Dinwoodie saw him, it must have been on 22 August. I had Mrs Dinwoodie's statement double-checked by a further inquiry. Mrs Dinwoodie is a perfectly respectable and responsible citizen."

[jimarilyn]

It's been implied by a certain poster that my post [#43] is abusive.

I'm sure all reasonable people can make up their own minds about this. If correcting a deliberately mis-leading statement is considered abusive then Heaven help us all.

[jimarilyn]

No it isn't.

I could not say that the people who live 4 doors down from me are independent, respectable and law abiding.

Why?

Because I don't know anything about them bar seeing them come in and out of their house.

They could very well be for all I know, yet, on the other hand, they could be running a knocking shop. Who knows? If they were to interfere in my life then I would start asking questions.

The trial performances of both Skillet and Trower were poor and unconvincing to say the least.

Even the appeal judges seemed to accept that the Redbridge evidence was tainted by what they called the "high water mark of non-disclosure".

Frankly that's all we know about them.

I hope that that clarifies my point.

Derrick

Good post Derrick, you say it all.

Re. John Skillet and James Trower, it's often conveniently overlooked that both these witnesses had completely forgotten about their brief encounters with the 'alleged' murder car for a full 24 hours after the event. This shows just how insignificant the incidents must have seemed to them, examples of every day occurrences which are soon forgotten. We are then asked to believe that the brief glimpses each says they had of the driver was sufficient for the forgotten image of a man's face to magically re-appear to them a full 7 weeks later on an ID parade. lol.

[Graham]

James,

did it occur to you (obviously it didn't...) that Jen made a genuine mistake? Are you as paranoid as your posts suggest? As it happens, I made the exact same mistake on the same subject and was politely corrected by Norma, who did not see the need to call me a liar. I think an apology to Jen from you is in order, but I'm not holding my breath....

Graham

[Limehouse]

James,

did it occur to you (obviously it didn't...) that Jen made a genuine mistake? Are you as paranoid as your posts suggest? As it happens, I made the exact same mistake on the same subject and was politely corrected by Norma, who did not see the need to call me a liar. I think an apology to Jen from you is in order, but I'm not holding my breath....

Graham

I did not receive an apology from 'Jen' when she called me a liar some months ago. I don't much like being called a 'Hanratty groupie' either. I find it offensive.

[Limehouse]

Posted by Babybird to me on 7/2/10

That is an utter and outright lie, Julie, as I have pointed out to you several times. In post 4295 to this thread, reg1965 posted the following:

There is no sympathy there for.


I had not lied. I received no apology.

[jimarilyn]

James,

did it occur to you (obviously it didn't...) that Jen made a genuine mistake? Are you as paranoid as your posts suggest? As it happens, I made the exact same mistake on the same subject and was politely corrected by Norma, who did not see the need to call me a liar. I think an apology to Jen from you is in order, but I'm not holding my breath....

Graham

You are applying double standards again here. So it's perfectly ok for babybird67 to go around calling anyone and everyone (mostly James Hanratty) liars in her ranting posts, yet when it's pointed out to her that she herself is guilty of trying to advance a complete untruth (aka. lie) no-one is allowed to stop her in her tracks ? She has lied, tried to mis-lead, tried to deceive. I won't be a hypocrite and pretend merely that she made a mistake. Babybird has stated previously that she thinks very carefully about what she is going to say in her posts. She knew exactly what she was typing when she wrote....."The man she spoke to bought cigarettes from her...why would Hanratty, a non-smoker, buy cigarettes ?

I can think of only one reason why she would ask this, and that is to cast doubt that Hanratty was a non-smoker. This would then accord with what the gunman is supposed to have said in the Morris Minor, ie that he didn't usually smoke.

No, an apology is definitely not in order.

[Graham]

On the Steve Wright thread, Ally posted something to the effect that conspiracy theorists become so wrapped up in their own ideas that even someone who innocently questions them or - horror! - actually dares to disagree with them must be part of the conspiracy. I see evidence of this on the A6threads.

How on earth can you possibly refer to Babybird's posts as rants? Your last one is well up in the ranting stakes.

Sod it, I'm off for me lunch....

Graham

[jimarilyn]

Yawn.......

Graham

As usual a typical non-reply. If you're that sleepy maybe you need to get your head down for a couple of hours (or years preferrably).

[jimarilyn]

On the Steve Wright thread, Ally posted something to the effect that conspiracy theorists become so wrapped up in their own ideas that even someone who innocently questions them or - horror! - actually dares to disagree with them must be part of the conspiracy. I see evidence of this on the A6threads.

How on earth can you possibly refer to Babybird's posts as rants? Your last one is well up in the ranting stakes.

Sod it, I'm off for me lunch....

Graham

1) Steve Wright couldn't have committed those murders anyhow, he was doing his afternoon show on Radio 2 at the time.

2) Re. cry-babybird's ranting tendencies all I will say is that the proof is in the pudding, her posts are available for all to examine. She herself has even admitted to ranting.

3) Hope you enjoy lunch. i've just had some lovely egg and chips with a mug of hot tea afterwards. You can't beat eggs........

[Derrick]

they were respectable, law abiding and independent. If you wish to state the contrary kindly provide evidence.

Neither Julie nor myself have made any statement to the contrary of anything at all...We have both just plainly pointed out what we and anyone else for that matter knows about them [Messrs Skillet and Trower].

[Hatchett]

It has been quite some time since I have ventured into the A6 threads.

It appears to me after having reappeared that the debates have not progressed very far.
But what seems to have increased is personal animosity.

I refer of course to what I consider the unnecessary and unwarranted abuse of Baby Bird.
On the point in question Baby Bird stated that she did not have her source material available to her at that time. The logical conclusion therefore in any right person’s mind is that she made a mistake. Surely, we have all done that in our time. But to state that she is a liar and tried to deliberately mislead is completely and, it would appear, intentionally offensive.

Particularly to someone who is a veteran of these threads and has spent many hours researching and passionately debating the issues.

I do not believe that such abuse is conducive to intelligent debate, and in my view should be eliminated in order for sensible, albeit passionate, debate to continue.

The same goes for describing Baby Bird’s contributions as rants.

She has a passionate style. So do others. Again, this is personal venom against a serious contributor. And I believe it is not just offensive to the person it has been aimed at, but to everyone else who reads this thread and wants to genuinely find out more information about the case.

Like Graham, I believe that Baby Bird deserves an apology so that a sensible debate can continue.

[jimarilyn]

You don't fool me for one minute Graham.

[Hatchett]

What is that supposed to mean ?

[Graham]

You don't fool me for one minute Graham.

I have PM'd Jimarilyn regarding this.

Graham