a6 murder

[Limehouse]

Hi Julie,

The alternative? You mean living in the real world!

And you're now condoning sock-puppetry - does that mean you want to shove your hand up Norma's ar$e? It'd make a change from Jimarilyn's nose I suppose.

KR,
Vic

So here we have it - the evidence that our camp can be ridiculed and lampooned and even insulted openly and yet when we come back with a little humour the knives really go in.

I don't condon sock puppetry but I don't accuse people of being one without evidence. Having a similar posting style to someone else does not make them a sock puppet. Arguing from the same view point does not make them a sock puppet.

[Victor]

Norma - aren't you just proud to be a flatearther? I mean - when you think of the alternative .......

Hi Julie,

The alternative? You mean living in the real world!

And you're now condoning sock-puppetry - does that mean you want to shove your hand up Norma's ar$e? It'd make a change from Jimarilyn's nose I suppose.

KR,
Vic

[Natalie Severn]

May 2002 following the appeal ruling:

MICHAEL SHERRARD: The public were cheated, the system was cheated. I don't regard myself as having been cheated. I, I'm really an intermediate player, but Hanratty was hanged. He was cheated. If the other material that was not disclosed to us would have made the difference, so it, it's fair to say that there seems to be a strong argument at least for saying that the trial was fatally flawed and the word fatal has a real significance in this context.

[babybird67]

Norma - aren't you just proud to be a flatearther? I mean - when you think of the alternative .......

He eschewed the flat earth society when he said he was relieved the wrong man was not hanged.

Good old Sherrard.

[babybird67]

Don't worry - there is Vic and his completely separate non-sock puppet Ron to fight those fearsome fiends the sock puppets!

How can you possibly confuse Ron and Victor? They have completely different postings styles, totally different angles on what they say and how they say it. Ron very rarely quotes anything whereas Victor always does. Ron writes fiction, good fiction actually, and uses humour and sarcasm to make his salient points...Victor tends to argue with ruthless logic and get straight to the point. Totally, totally different. Besides neither of them are cowards or afraid to stand by what they say as who they are.

Not so Steve, Reg, Clive, and now the infamous Rerrick, who proclaims himself A6 expert from the hilltops (or Alps), bangs on as if expert on LCN DNA, insults everyone who disagrees with him...all his posts are carbon copies of himself and his sock puppets. He hasn't even got the creativity to create a sock puppet with a slightly different psychotic persona to the one he genuinely has!

[Natalie Severn]

Dont be frightened ---nobody"s going to hurt you

[Limehouse]

OMG--Reg and his sock puppets are crossing the Alps chaps---- run for cover lads!

Don't worry - there is Vic and his completely separate non-sock puppet Ron to fight those fearsome fiends the sock puppets!

[Limehouse]

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So you think,Vic,that Michael Sherrard QC is actually suggesting when he says," Who would have thought that for 31 years,the police would have kept ,on ice,Valerie Storie's knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun" that he meant that literally ? You do realise Linda Goldman,also a lawyer, co-wrote the biography with Michael Sherrard? Is she too likely to have thought the police kept Valerie"s knickers in a tub of ice cubes for 31 years?
Therefore his book must contain other inaccuracies and therefore what he says is inaccurate must be highly suspect!Oh Dear Vic!

Here we have a highly intelligent,highly successful lawyer,Michael Sherrard, with a wealth of legal experience behind him showing compassion,sensitivity , total commitment,an astute awarenes of all the legal intrigues that go on throughout his long biography--a man who became one of the foremost advocates of his generation with a long and highly distinguished career.But yet, Vic you now think he may be a secret "flatearther" like the rest of us-well why not? He supported that pariah Hanratty after all.That seems to be the answer to everything .

Norma - aren't you just proud to be a flatearther? I mean - when you think of the alternative .......

[Natalie Severn]

OMG--Reg and his sock puppets are crossing the Alps chaps---- run for cover lads!

[Natalie Severn]

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Originally Posted by Natalie Severn
No.They are not the same at all Vic.Both the terms "on ice" and "frozen" when read in the context of my quote ,are metaphors.They are not meant to be taken "literally".

To which Vic answered

Hi Norma,

The repetition and context suggests to me that he does mean it literally, and it is inaccurate, therefore it's highly likely that the book contains other inaccuracies and quoting it and suggesting that what he says is factual is highly suspect.

So you think,Vic,that Michael Sherrard QC is actually suggesting when he says," Who would have thought that for 31 years,the police would have kept ,on ice,Valerie Storie's knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun" that he meant that literally ? You do realise Linda Goldman,also a lawyer, co-wrote the biography with Michael Sherrard? Is she too likely to have thought the police kept Valerie"s knickers in a tub of ice cubes for 31 years?
Therefore his book must contain other inaccuracies and therefore "what he says is factual must be highly suspect!"
Oh Dear Vic!

Here we have a highly intelligent,highly successful lawyer,Michael Sherrard, with a wealth of legal experience behind him showing compassion,sensitivity , total commitment,an astute awarenes of all the legal intrigues that go on throughout his long biography--a man who became one of the foremost advocates of his generation with a long and highly distinguished career.But yet, Vic you now think he may be a secret "flatearther" like the rest of us-well why not? He supported that pariah Hanratty after all.That seems to be the answer to everything .

[Victor]

Firstly - posters do not have access to IP addresses and therefore have to trust that all posters are individuals and not using multiple user-names.

Hi Julie,

That is true, we have to trust, and Reg has demonstrated how he abused that trust by posting under the sock-puppets of Steve S and Clive English and who knows which others.

As you and Ron have similar views - it would not be unreasonable to suspect you were one person. However - I am not a suspicious type of person and would not dream of checking with Admin - or informing them if I thought you were one person.

Actually I do think it unreasonable, definitely paranoid. I have only ever used this one account and regard the use of sock-puppets as cowardly and deceitful. Oh, and against the site rules.

You are obviously more suspicious and therefore accuse anyone who comes onto the site with a strong well-argued viewas being a 'sock puppet'. I am sure you do not have any evidence to prove that Derrick and Uncle Adolph are sock puppets of Reg or that Clive was.

Reg, Steve and Clive - yes I do have evidence, go back and read the relevent posts. That set the precedent, and I'm not the only one who thinks so - see the recent posts by Jen and Graham.

Without this evidence - your suggestion that Derrick and Uncle Adolph are sock puppets must be as monumentally stupid as my suggestion that you and Ron could be one and the same.

IF I didn't have that evidence then yes it would be.

KR,
Vic.

[Victor]

I was not aware you had made any comments about my repeated posting.

Hi Julie,

See here -> http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.p...postcount=7129

Re-posting earlier comments is no different from posting multiple quotes for which you have a fondness.

I quote relevent parts of a previous post and reply to it because it establishes the context, and it makes it easier for me to write. I think it's very different from re-posting material.

KR,
Vic.

[Victor]

No.They are not the same at all Vic.Both the terms "on ice" and "frozen" when read in the context of my quote ,are metaphors.They are not meant to be taken "literally".

Hi Norma,

The repetition and context suggests to me that he does mean it literally, and it is inaccurate, therefore it's highly likely that the book contains other inaccuracies and quoting it and suggesting that what he says is factual is highly suspect.

Michael Sherrard"s statements refer to police fiddling with witness statements and altering what Hanratty said so that it made Hanratty look a liar when he was telling the truth.

Those quotes do yes, but the suspect nature of his writing whether it be genuine error, or a failing memory, or deliberate deceit means we cannot conclude that Hanratty was not lying - in fact we know he lied about the Liverpool alibi, so his veracity is questionable.

KR,
Vic.

[Limehouse]

Hi Julie,

I quite clearly said "borders on" and my motive for doing so was that it is easy to accuse anyone on the boards of being a sock-suppet of anyone else, but there's only one person who regularly posted to this thread and has been banned from the boards for doing so. The admin team are able to check the IP addresses of users and will happily tell you that Ron and myself are different users, I'm not so sure they can say the same about Reg - Steve S - Clive English - Derrick and uncle_adolph.

I could respond to the lovely Mastermind parady he posted - I was thinking along the lines of "Who's the A6 murderer? Peter Alphon - Wrong - But it was - No it wasn't - Yes it was - He's behind you"

The other major point that seems to have escaped recent posts, especially Norma's, is that Mr Nudds evidence has little bearing on Hanratty being the killer, however, he's the major contributor to the Alphon case, without him the case against Alphon is a non-starter.

KR,
Vic.

Vic

Firstly - posters do not have access to IP addresses and therefore have to trust that all posters are individuals and not using multiple user-names. As you and Ron have similar views - it would not be unreasonable to suspect you were one person. However - I am not a suspicious type of person and would not dream of checking with Admin - or informing them if I thought you were one person.

You are obviously more suspicious and therefore accuse anyone who comes onto the site with a strong well-argued viewas being a 'sock puppet'. I am sure you do not have any evidence to prove that Derrick and Uncle Adolph are sock puppets of Reg or that Clive was. Without this evidence - your suggestion that Derrick and Uncle Adolph are sock puppets must be as monumentally stupid as my suggestion that you and Ron could be one and the same.

KR

Julie

[Limehouse]

Hi Julie,

Are you going to reply to my comments regarding your repeated posting?

KR,
Vic.

Vic

I was not aware you had made any comments about my repeated posting. i re-posted my comments concerning the cartridges cases because it was implied I was having trouble grasping that the cartridges were discharged when the gun was loaded. This implies I am stupid. Having found clear evidence from the Appeal that the cartridges were discharged when the gun was fired I provided another opportunity for people to read my comments about why I think Hanratty did not fire the gun and discharge those cartridge cases in the hotel room.

Re-posting earlier comments is no different from posting multiple quotes for which you have a fondness.

KR

Julie