I'm not sure if The Vienna really was the kind of grubby doss-house Foot and Woffinden described. Sutherland Avenue in 1961 was a 'respectable' address. The Ritz it certainly wasn't, but there was a shot of its interior in one of the early documentaries, and I reckon I've stayed in worse places. From what I gather it was one of the many hotels in 1960's London that catered for gay men, at a time when being homosexual was still a criminal offence.
Graham
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A quick google seems to indicate that 156-158 Sutherland Avenue has been converted into 10 one bedroomed flats, which sell for between £450,000 and £650,000. That's not bad for an ex-doss house!Leave a comment:
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Indeed, and I've come across one or two, but I do seem to recall that someone had 'cached' all of them (if that's the right word...)I don’t think Steve re-posted all his photos after the crash, but there are several scattered through the ‘a6 murder’ thread
Well, yes, but of course if the cases were planted via the green space and the windows then this puts a whole new slant on the case. They could, of course, have been planted frominside the hotel which I'd have thought was the most likely - if indeed they were planted and weren't accidentally dropped there by Hanratty as he re-loaded his gun. As I believe. It was only sheer coincidence that led to their discovery - they could well have laid there in Room 24 for months before they were found.From Google Maps, it looks like 158 Sutherland Avenue is a private residence now. I wonder how easy it would have been to plant the cartridge cases by gaining access from the green space behind (as has often been suggested) as I cannot see any public entrance to it.
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I don’t think Steve re-posted all his photos after the crash, but there are several scattered through the ‘a6 murder’ thread.
From Google Maps, it looks like 158 Sutherland Avenue is a private residence now. I wonder how easy it would have been to plant the cartridge cases by gaining access from the green space behind (as has often been suggested) as I cannot see any public entrance to it.
I included the Barrington Club because Woffinden said that is where Justice met Alphon before the Green Park ‘fracas’. But I've since noticed that in Mrs Hanratty’s evidence she said that the meeting was at the Ritz Hotel. She also said that she attended the meeting (not join them only after they had left) and the reason Mr Hanratty was at Green Park tube station was that he refused to meet with Alphon and so she went on alone to do so.Leave a comment:
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Hi Nick,
did you post a while back that the photo collection posted on this Forum by 'Steve', prior to the crash, is still available? If so, how do we find it?
For JPR's info, Steve posted a large number of quality shots of many of the key places in the A6 story, including the Frances' residence, shots of Scotland Road, and many more.
Like you, JPR, over the years I visited quite a few of the key sites, including parking at Taplow Station and then walking along Marsh Lane to The Field. This was about 25 years ago if I recall correctly. I also had a look at where The Old Station Inn used to be. Not massively interesting, in all honesty, but good for soaking up some atmos!
When you went along Sutherland Avenue, what was No 158? Not still The Vienna, presumably?
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Thank you Nick.
A few years ago when in St John's Wood - I walked down to Maida Vale and found Sutherland Avenue, and when in Rhyl last year I found Ingledene.
Next stop the Stevonia in Blackpool which I'm told is still there.
Cheers
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Hi JPR,
You are right - my mistake. I was confusing the Old Shire Hall in Warwick with the one in Bedford. In fact I was led astray by looking for a Kings Head in Bedford (where Ewer told his 'cleaners' story to journalists) and only finding one in Warwick. I presume there was such an inn in Bedford and it was renamed.
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Hi AllOriginally posted by NickB View Post
New member here and always been fascinated by the Hanratty case.
Can i ask what relevance the 2 Warwick addresses have please?
I've read the Paul Foot and Bob Woffinden books many times and dont recall any mention of Warwick (near where i live).
Thanks
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Justice and Fox’s country house Laudate in Newdigate, Surrey, may also deserve a mention.
It was dubbed ‘a sink of iniquity’ by the News of the World after details of their rural pursuits came to light in the rent boy trial. In the year following Hanratty’s execution Alphon paid several visits and there were at least two periods when he was left alone there. In 1963 Ewer came down for a weekend.
Later in the 60s it was sold to Peter Asher of ‘Peter and Gordon’. Great train robber Bruce Reynolds hid out there when he was on the run. When Kenny Everett stayed there his wife, Lee Middleton, was inspired to take up spiritualism. There were also Beatle connections; Harrison stayed there, as did Lennon who wrote part of ‘Happiness is a warm gun’ at the house.Leave a comment:
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Locations
The current addresses and post codes of places associated with the case:
Car journey
1 Marsh Lane (or Elm View Farm), Dorney Reach. SL4 6QR
Regent garage, Sipsons Corner, Bath Road, Harlington. UB3 5AY
Shell garage, 584 Kingsbury Circle. NW9 9RR
Deadman’s Hill, Clophill. MK45 3QT
Avondale Crescent, Ilford. IG4 5JB
Jim - visits
Broadway House Hotel, 39-40 Dorset Square. NW1 6QN
Rehearsal Club, 3-4 Archer Street. W1D 7AP
Cater florists, 15 Northways Parade, Finchley Road. NW3 5EN
Hepworths tailors, 43 Burnt Oak Broadway, Burnt Oak. HA8 5JZ
Burtol cleaners, 129 Finchley Road. NW3 6HY
D. Cowley newsagents, 408 Scotland Road, Liverpool. L5 5AJ
Reynold’s Billiard Hall, 12 Lime Street, Liverpool. L1 1RD
St.George’s Hall, St George's Place, Liverpool L1 1JJ
Stevonia Cafe, 64 Central Drive, Blackpool. FY1 5QB
Old Shire Hall, 5 Northgate Street, Warwick. CV34 4SP
Langham Gardens, Burnt Oak. HA8 9EG (Deacon)
Jim – residences
12 Sycamore Grove, Kingsbury. NW9 8RB (Family)
72 Wood Lane, Kingsbury. NW9 7PA (Vienna register)
46 Mildenhall Road, Clapton. E5 0RU (Pryce)
Vienna Hotel, 158 Sutherland Avenue. W9 1HP
Freeling House, Boundary Road, St John’s Wood. NW8 0RX (France)
23 Cambridge Court, Sussex Gardens, Paddington. W2 1EU (Anderson)
Salvation Army Hostel, 240 Bute Street, Cardiff. CF10 5TY
Ingledene, 60 Kinmel Street, Rhyl. LL18 1AW
O’Flynn’s Hotel, 1 Camden Place, Patricks Bridge, Cork, Ireland
Hope House, 80 Central Drive, Blackpool. FY1 5QD
Valerie and Mike
Road Research Laboratory, Langley Hall, 348 Langley Rd, Slough. SL3 8BS
Cassiobury Park, Watford. WD18 7LB
15 Anthony Way, Cippenham. SL1 5PG
Sabine House, Shirley Road, Abbots Langley. WD5 0NF
68 St Mark’s Road, Maidenhead. SL6 6DL
Ewer
10 The Station Arcade, Swiss Cottage. NW3 6HY
King’s Head Inn, 39 Saltisford, Warwick. CV34 4TD
Alphon
7 Hurst Avenue, Horsham. RH12 2EL
Barrington Club, 91 Jermyn Street. SW1Y 6JB
Hotel du Louvre, Place André Malraux, 75001 Paris, France
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