Bible John (General Discussion)

[Ms Diddles]

I’ve just looked into the phrase ‘stoned at the fountain,’ which Jean said that John used. I can’t find anything like it in the Bible. Stoning is named as a punishment for fornication, adultery etc but I have found the word ‘fountain’ being used - this is the King James Version:

“And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.”

Another version is from the English Standard Version:

“If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people.“


So in biblical terms the word ‘fountain’ refers to menstruation. So do we have Bible John actually referring menstruation and punishment?

Interesting Herlock!

Did Jean give any context to this "stoned at the fountain" comment?

I'm just thinking that such a phrase would be quite consistent with the "You know what happens to the adulterous woman? She gets stoned to death" quote.

You know, it sounds biblical but is not an accurate representation of what the bible actually says....

Edit: Just contemplating all this taxi chat and as we say here, his patter was mince!!!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve just looked into the phrase ‘stoned at the fountain,’ which Jean said that John used. I can’t find anything like it in the Bible. Stoning is named as a punishment for fornication, adultery etc but I have found the word ‘fountain’ being used - this is the King James Version:

“And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.”

Another version is from the English Standard Version:

“If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people.“


So in biblical terms the word ‘fountain’ refers to menstruation. So do we have Bible John actually referring menstruation and punishment?

[Herlock Sholmes]

The taxi route remains a puzzle to me. At present day prices it cost around £21 but should have been a bit less than that. Dropping off Jeannie first must have added a fair bit as that added an unnecessary 2 miles (?) to the trip since the taxi had to turn back from Kelso Street to Earl Street along Dumbarton Road. The taxi was effectively doubling back on itself. Presumably BJ was playing the role of the philanthropist so the women were not unduly concerned by this circuitous route, given he was footing the bill.

However this illogical route would have required some explanation from BJ. If he held hopes of a sexual congress with Helen then both she and Jeannie would surely have picked that up, albeit he could hardly have announced his intentions. Both women knew it could amount to nothing anyway given Helen's domestic arrangements. So at best they maybe figured he was on a fool's errand. Were they playing him for a bit of a straight laced mug?

Or could hard cash have lain behind BJ's pretext for the route? That is to say, he intimated that he lived in the same vicinity as Helen so he had decided to drop her off last, then make his own way home by the taxi and square up the bill as a gentleman would. Better that than leave Jeannie with some of the taxi fare when she was dropped off on her own?

As it turned out, it seems he misjudged the fare and probably Helen's intentions as well. I don't have the psychological knowledge to know which was likely the main factor in his murderous attack on her.

I just checked the transcript Cobalt:

’Jean then asked if the man was going their way and Helen replied, he’s going the other way and nodded her head.’

and..

’I thought he was paying the taxi because he lived that way. He pointed to the other side. I thought he had maybe he’d stayed in Clydebank or that.’

So they were aware that they were heading in the opposite direction to where John lived.

[cobalt]

The taxi route remains a puzzle to me. At present day prices it cost around £21 but should have been a bit less than that. Dropping off Jeannie first must have added a fair bit as that added an unnecessary 2 miles (?) to the trip since the taxi had to turn back from Kelso Street to Earl Street along Dumbarton Road. The taxi was effectively doubling back on itself. Presumably BJ was playing the role of the philanthropist so the women were not unduly concerned by this circuitous route, given he was footing the bill.

However this illogical route would have required some explanation from BJ. If he held hopes of a sexual congress with Helen then both she and Jeannie would surely have picked that up, albeit he could hardly have announced his intentions. Both women knew it could amount to nothing anyway given Helen's domestic arrangements. So at best they maybe figured he was on a fool's errand. Were they playing him for a bit of a straight laced mug?

Or could hard cash have lain behind BJ's pretext for the route? That is to say, he intimated that he lived in the same vicinity as Helen so he had decided to drop her off last, then make his own way home by the taxi and square up the bill as a gentleman would. Better that than leave Jeannie with some of the taxi fare when she was dropped off on her own?

As it turned out, it seems he misjudged the fare and probably Helen's intentions as well. I don't have the psychological knowledge to know which was likely the main factor in his murderous attack on her.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thanks Herlock, I'll check it out tomorrow.
Spent a couple of hours today putting my notes on the podcast episodes on to the pc.
There's loads of great stuff there.
I'm looking forward to pulling all the notes from the books and the podcast together.
I think it'll be fascinating to all the disparate facts and speculations pulled together in a, hopefully, coherent way.

It’s a pity that copy and paste isn’t available but I’ve started a time consuming and boring plan. I’m screenshotting the transcripts and putting them in folders - one page having multiple screenshots on. As you know, I don’t do tech but let me know if you want them. I think that I’ll be able to email them as a pdf. I’ve sent stuff in that form to Howard Brown in the past so it should work.