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  • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Hi OneRound,

    This is the Amy Wallace statement.

    https://www.williamherbertwallace.co...ce-statements/

    Id be grateful for any help filling in those gaps.
    My mrs. Is pretty good at this kind of thing , I’ll see if I can get her to translate.

    The last sentence on third page was interesting. Like she had been quizzed, ‘Mr.Wallace didn’t come to Ullet road alone Mrs Wallace was always with him.’ Possibly defending herself from the suggestion that there may have been something untoward going on ?

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    • Originally posted by moste View Post

      My mrs. Is pretty good at this kind of thing , I’ll see if I can get her to translate.

      The last sentence on third page was interesting. Like she had been quizzed, ‘Mr.Wallace didn’t come to Ullet road alone Mrs Wallace was always with him.’ Possibly defending herself from the suggestion that there may have been something untoward going on ?
      Yes I noticed that Moste. I wonder if rumours were emerging already?

      I hope that Mrs Moste is fluent in Solicitor’s Scrawl? I pity the Barrister that had to read his notes.

      Regards

      Herlock



      “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

      “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

      ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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      • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

        Yes I noticed that Moste. I wonder if rumours were emerging already?

        I hope that Mrs Moste is fluent in Solicitor’s Scrawl? I pity the Barrister that had to read his notes.
        LOL. Said she may need a few days.

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        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
          Ok Eten (and anyone else of course)

          Im now looking at Amy’s statement written in Munro’s execrable handwriting.

          First page. It’s gives Amy’s name and address followed by 4 words ...it looks like “married women will say.”


          Then to line 6. The first word of the line is ‘Herbert.’ Then there’s a ^ with what looks like 3 words in the space.

          Then go to the 2nd paragraph (beginning with ‘On the evening...’ There’s a line ‘were very comfortable and happy, except that Mrs Wallace had a cold.’ Then there’s a line squeezed in below which appears to begin with ‘Mrs Wallace...’ I haven’t a clue.

          Then toward the end of the paragraph it says ‘anyone in that district,’ followed by 6 words then one on the next line. ??

          .....wording

          BTW after I’ve sorted the hieroglyphs on this post I think I’ll begin a ‘transcription help thread’ as I don’t want to clog this thread even though it’s a little quieter at the moment. (Moste, OneRound and NickB have escaped back to the A6 Thread - who left the door open?)
          Hi again Herlock - apologies for my approaching this with the speed of a tortoise with a grade A hangover but a brief comment now about the opening wording as now in bold above.

          I reckon it's ''woman'' not ''women'' and part of what was probably one option for a fairly typical legal declaration at the time. I think Amy is describing herself as ''a married woman'' as if it were her occupation. If that doesn't get me a spanking from Caz, nothing will!

          Amy then uses the word ''say'' as to mean ''do declare as follows''.

          Now for the more tricky rest ....

          Best regards,
          OneRound

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          • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
            ...

            Im now looking at Amy’s statement written in Munro’s execrable handwriting.
            ...

            Then to line 6. The first word of the line is ‘Herbert.’ Then there’s a ^ with what looks like 3 words in the space.
            Hi once more Herlock - I think these words might be ''was with me'' as in ''my son Edwin Herbert was with me''. The word ''with'' in the immediately previous line was written and then crossed out which shows her likely thinking and influences me in my reading.

            Trusting her son's first two names were Edwin Herbert; if not, this falls down.

            Best,
            OneRound
            Last edited by OneRound; 03-07-2021, 12:48 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
              ...

              Im now looking at Amy’s statement written in Munro’s execrable handwriting.

              ...


              Then go to the 2nd paragraph (beginning with ‘On the evening...’ There’s a line ‘were very comfortable and happy, except that Mrs Wallace had a cold.’ Then there’s a line squeezed in below which appears to begin with ‘Mrs Wallace...’ I haven’t a clue.

              Then toward the end of the paragraph it says ‘anyone in that district,’ followed by 6 words then one on the next line. ??

              .....
              Final go, Herlock!

              Taking these last two out of order, I believe the 6 words plus the one on the next line are ''but she thought it was for business''.

              As for the remaining wording, I'm pretty much stumped and so am hoping Mrs moste can take the honours. I think it starts ''Mrs Wallace was ...'' and ends ''... cold!''. The use of the exclamation mark (in ''cold!'') makes me wonder if it was a somewhat throwaway comment suggesting Julia was prone to colds.

              Best as ever,
              OneRound



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              • "there’s a line squeezed in below which appears to begin with ‘Mrs Wallace..."

                It says "Mrs Wallace was telling us about a burglary about two(ten?) doors down the road!"

                The other sentence is
                "did not know of anyone in that district [from whom xxx might get business - crossed out] but she thought it was for business"

                HTH
                Dupin

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                • Thank Dupin and Mr and Mrs Moste

                  I’ve started a ‘deciphering’ thread to leave this for discussing the case.
                  Regards

                  Herlock



                  “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                  “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                  ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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                  • Regards any financial irregularities, wouldn't they have emerged during the investigation and if there were any suspicions would tge Prudential Staff Union have backed his defence.

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                    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                      Thank Dupin and Mr and Mrs Moste

                      I’ve started a ‘deciphering’ thread to leave this for discussing the case.


                      Thanks for the new 'deciphering' thread, Herlock.

                      Best,
                      OneRound

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                      • Originally posted by Ironmiller View Post
                        Regards any financial irregularities, wouldn't they have emerged during the investigation and if there were any suspicions would tge Prudential Staff Union have backed his defence.
                        Hi Ironmiller - a lot of the financials could have been and probably were checked during the investigation. However, there would still be an element dependent upon what Wallace said was in the cash box when its contents were taken. By way of illustration only (I'm making up the amount), Wallace might have claimed there was 20.00 in it and his / the Prudential records might show that should have been the case. However, that doesn't mean the money was actually there and he hadn't already spent most of it on himself.

                        That's what I was getting at the other week. However, Herlock politely but effectively rather kicked that idea into touch by highlighting various other personal monies freely and legitimately available to Wallace.

                        Best regards,
                        OneRound
                        Last edited by OneRound; 03-07-2021, 06:46 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by OneRound View Post

                          Hi again Herlock - apologies for my approaching this with the speed of a tortoise with a grade A hangover but a brief comment now about the opening wording as now in bold above.

                          I reckon it's ''woman'' not ''women'' and part of what was probably one option for a fairly typical legal declaration at the time. I think Amy is describing herself as ''a married woman'' as if it were her occupation. If that doesn't get me a spanking from Caz, nothing will!

                          Amy then uses the word ''say'' as to mean ''do declare as follows''.

                          Now for the more tricky rest ....

                          Best regards,
                          OneRound
                          Not at all, OneRound. In my experience, and on my third husband, I can confirm that being "a married woman" is very much a full time occupation - but without the pay packet at the end of the week.

                          I'm afraid I can't help with the deciphering - I have three floors to wash.

                          Love,

                          Caz
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                          "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                          • Originally posted by caz View Post

                            Not at all, OneRound. In my experience, and on my third husband, I can confirm that being "a married woman" is very much a full time occupation - but without the pay packet at the end of the week.

                            I'm afraid I can't help with the deciphering - I have three floors to wash.

                            Love,

                            Caz
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                            Hi Caz,

                            Ha! Amazingly Mrs OneRound is still on her first husband - i.e. me. She regularly says everyone is entitled to one mistake.

                            Best wishes,
                            OneRound

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                            • I served 33 years with husband number two, and I regularly point out I'd have got far less for murder.
                              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                              • Originally posted by caz View Post
                                I served 33 years with husband number two, and I regularly point out I'd have got far less for murder.
                                Maybe you would have got off on Appeal Caz
                                Regards

                                Herlock



                                “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                                “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                                ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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