Hammersmith Nude Murders (Stripper)

[Neil Milkins]

Hi Darryl. From what I understand the police were convinced that Bridget was murdered on the night she was abducted. No one had seen her after her visit to a pub in Shepherd's Bush on January 11. Obviously the police could have been wrong and she could have been wondering around for days without contacting her husband before Ireland came back from Scotland and killed her. All I can say is we will all have to wait for the police review.

[Trevor Marriott]

I am limited in my knowledge of the murders but I have to agree with Trevor here. If Bridget went missing on 11 Jan and her body not found till 16 Feb what evidence do we have that she was murdered on 11 Jan ? Prostitutes often lead a dysfunctional life, going missing for days. Could she not have easily been murdered a few days later?
Regards Darryl

The specific date of her murder is also questionable from a forensic perspective. I can only assume this was determined by forensic pathologists. But of course forensic pathology has moved on since the 60`s. Here is what Dr Biggs a modern day forensic scientists tells us about the process of determining times of death.

"the official guidance from the Forensic Science Regulator is that pathologists shouldn’t attempt to "estimate" the post mortem interval"

Of course we are not privvy to the full post mortem report, or the results of any other tests on the body that may have been carried out. In any event I doubt they would have been able to pin it down to a specific day.

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[Darryl Kenyon]

If she was murdered on or shortly after Jan 11th we must assume she was murdered shortly after abduction. Is there evidence to show the date she was actually abducted

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I am limited in my knowledge of the murders but I have to agree with Trevor here. If Bridget went missing on 11 Jan and her body not found till 16 Feb what evidence do we have that she was murdered on 11 Jan ? Prostitutes often lead a dysfunctional life, going missing for days. Could she not have easily been murdered a few days later?
Regards Darryl

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Darryl. The only book that identifies Harold Jones as the Hammersmith killer is my book, Who Was Jack the Stripper - The Hammersmith Nudes's Murders. If you google Who Was Jack the Stripper-The Hammersmith Nudes' Murders-Neil Milkins-Amazon you can find them second-hand for £99.00 each. However I have new copies at £12.95 each plus £3.60 p+p recorded delivery. The book has a foreword by Professor David Wilson and Professor Bernard Knight who both featured with me in the B.B.C. documentary Dark Son - The Hunt For a Serial Killer.

You dont identify him, you merely put him forward as a person of interest, there is a big difference

Can you also be so kind as to reply to my post 678

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[Neil Milkins]

Hi Darryl. The only book that identifies Harold Jones as the Hammersmith killer is my book, Who Was Jack the Stripper - The Hammersmith Nudes's Murders. If you google Who Was Jack the Stripper-The Hammersmith Nudes' Murders-Neil Milkins-Amazon you can find them second-hand for £99.00 each. However I have new copies at £12.95 each plus £3.60 p+p recorded delivery. The book has a foreword by Professor David Wilson and Professor Bernard Knight who both featured with me in the B.B.C. documentary Dark Son - The Hunt For a Serial Killer.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Can I ask which book people would recommend to read on the murders ?
Regards Darryl

[Neil Milkins]

I am in regular contact with children and grandchildren of Mungo Ireland. They are anxious that their loved one's name be cleared. John du Rose didn't publicly give Ireland's name. It was David Seabrook who gained illegal access to the nudes' murders files who was the first person to name Ireland. Regardless, Seabrook, and John du Rose are now dead and a libel action couldn't be brought anyway.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Would Ireland's family not have been able to sue Du Rose for libel if he was blatantly lying? I know this is before computers but say, an investigative journalist checking the death records and cross referencing them against the heron estate security employees would probably dig up Ireland. It was only five years later when he made his statement, any friends or family seeing that statement on TV would put two and two together and come up with the fact that he was trying to slander Ireland.
If Du Rose wanted to fit someone up for the crime he could have easily said "They had a strong suspect who would have been arrested but died shortly after the last murder". Thus leaving it totally ambiguous without mentioning the suicide bit and the security guard detail.
Regards Darryl

[Neil Milkins]

The consensus of opinion now regarding John du Roses' claim in his 1970 book that he knew who the killer was in 1965 is that he was lying to save face over the fact he could not catch the killer. I received the following email from a cold case detective on 16 July 2010. "On 6th May 1965 inquiries were extended to include all personnel and visitors to the entire Heron Estate. This resulted in 7,214 current and past workers being interviewed. This would suggest he [John du Rose] didn't already know who the murderer was." It seems quite logical to me that if he had been aware by May 1965 that Ireland was the killer, then why waste valuable resources. Ireland had killed himself in March 1965. It will be interesting to see if a quiet unassuming man by the name of Harold Jones/Harry Stevens.Harry Jones was one of the 7,214 persons interviewed by the police in 1965.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Darryl. It has been confirmed that Bridget was murdered on or shortly after 11 January 1965. The official police inquiry in 1965 concluded that Ireland was definitely working in Scotland the night Bridget was abducted.

If she was murdered on or shortly after Jan 11th we must assume she was murdered shortly after abduction. Is there evidence to show the date she was actually abducted

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[Darryl Kenyon]

Hi Neil, thanks for the reply. But I am just wondering if the official police enquiry in 65 concluded that Ireland was definitely working in Scotland the night Bridget was abducted. Why is he seen as such a strong suspect in 1970 by Du Rose? It doesn't seem to make sense.
Regards Darryl

[Neil Milkins]

Hi Darryl. It has been confirmed that Bridget was murdered on or shortly after 11 January 1965. The official police inquiry in 1965 concluded that Ireland was definitely working in Scotland the night Bridget was abducted.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Pretty new to these murders so just a couple of questions I would like to ask. Bridget O Hara went missing on 11 Jan and her body not found till 16 Feb. I know it seems likely she was murdered near the first date but is this confirmed? IE Did she regularly lead a wayward life and disappear? Secondly what evidence is there that Mungo Ireland was in Scotland at the time of this murder, and on what dates? Since there is a gap of just over a month between Bridget going missing and her body being found.
Regards Darryl

[Robert]

Hi Neil

Yes, the retired policeman is a good pointer. To me, Jones's lodging with the man and marrying his daughter is psychologically akin to the attitude Jones displayed when he killed the second girl after escaping justice for the first. A sort of "I will have the last word" mentality.

[Neil Milkins]

Hi Robert. You have to remember that most of the police officers involved in the Abertillery murders would have retired or died by the time Jones left the army in 1946. As I have previously stated, I am convinced Jones killed at will after his discharge. By the time of the nudes' murders around 40 years after the Abertillery murders I doubt if anyone would have had a clue that Jones could have been responsible for the Hammersmith murders. It is astounding that Jones' father-in-law was ex Met. Did he know about Jones' past? I wouldn't want an ex double child rapist and murderer with my daughter or living under my roof. Some things may never be known whilst other things will be revealed.