Hammersmith Nude Murders (Stripper)

[sdreid]

I think Jeff either got drummed out or chose to leave after some discord, I'm not sure which. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Neil Milkins]

Hi. There doesn't seem to be much interest in this forum anymore. Why is that? On Thursday 25th and Friday 26th November, Fred Dineage and Professor David Wilson came to Abertillery to film a 1 hour documentary for the C+I Channel dealing with Harold Jones and the murders of 2 Abertillery schoolchildren in Abertillery in 1921. The documentary also deals with the Hammersmith nudes' murders and the person who I am convinced was Jack the Stripper. Professor David Wilson will leave the viewer in no doubt who he believes the killer was. Regards. Neil Milkins.

[sdreid]

I'm still with it Neil although who knows when we ever get any news on the case over here in the States!? I actually remember the case when it was ongoing and it did get some limited coverage over here at the time.

[Natalie Severn]

I echo Bob"s congratulations Neil,do keep us posted!
Thanks,
Norma

[Bob Hinton]

Congratulations on getting on to TV with your book.

[Neil Milkins]

Hammersmith nudes' murders

Hi everyone. Gosh! This site has gone very quiet for 6 months. Is there no longer any interest in Jack the Stripper? Just a bit of news to post. In the next 2 weeks Professor David Wilson, television presenter Fred Dineage and myself start filming for episode 5 of Fred Dineage's Crime Stories. The 1 hour documentary for the Crime and Investigation Channel will be aired throughout Britain and Europe in April 2011. The documentary deals with the life of Abertillery child killer Harold Jones and the Hammersmith nudes' murders. Adult children of 4 of the murdered women have agreed to take part in the documentary. I am hoping that children of 2 of the other women that were murdered will contact me before my book on the murders is launched just after the documentary. These women were Irene Lockwood and Mary Fleming Best wishes. Neil Milkins. n.milkin@sky.com

[Inspector Death]

Here is a link to some news reports from the day - courtesy of ITN.

I hope it's ok to post it up here (?) I'm sure you will find it very interesting.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/BHC_ITN/1965/03/17/X17036503/?v=0&a=1

[Neil T Humphries]

Police Suspects

I have recently read David Seabrook's J of J book and like Sergeant Limehouse was not initially convinced about his theory of it being an ex cop. There seemed to be too much of a leap from being kicked off the force for thefts and committing a series of murders.

In a similar way I am not convinced that Mungo Ireland who had briefly served as a police officer is also an likely suspect and was conveniently used by John Du Rose to bolster the opinion that "four day Johnnie" always got his man.

Although Neil Milkin suggests that Harold Jones was in the area at the time and his psychiatrists were convinced he would kill again, why would he change his victims from teenagers to adults?

The more I look into some of the police officers who were on the perifery of the investigation into Freddy Mill's death the likes of Wallace Virgo, Ken Drury, Lambert and others the more I am now convinced that they may of known who the killer was.

Ironically Lambert investigated the murder of a model who was found naked in Chelsea in the early seventies and her killer was never found either.

I am doing research into the so called Dirty Squad and if anyone has anything that links them to the Hammersmith Nude Murders I would be very grateful.

PS Along with a Jack the Ripper tour guide I going to do a Jack the Stripper walk soon around Chiswick and Mortlake if anyone is interested.

[Limehouse]

Well, I've finally reached the last page of Seabrook's book. I was quite absorbed by it until about the middle of the book. I then found it tended to ramble on, with lots of multiple conversations about Scots blokes and Weish blokes and their brothers and I got a bit lost.

The Freddie Mills bit threw me completely. Seabrook seemed keen to prove that Mills was murdered, touched on the rumours that linked him to the Nude crimes, but didn't offer much of an opinion on whether he thought Mills was a good suspect. I suppose that is because he had another suspect in mind.

The trip to Wales to see the medium also seemed very strange amd then the book suddenly presented the final suspect, the exCopper. Not sure at all about that. I'll have to re-read the final two chapters I think.

[sdreid]

Figg was a retrofit like Tabram, Smith and Millwood were with JtR or Cheri Jo Bates was with Zodiac. That doesn't mean this guy didn't kill her but I would be modestly surprised to find out that he did.

[Slipper86]

I agree, Figg just seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. However I don't think she could be dismissed entirely.

Losing a tooth, or several teeth in some cases, can only have been a result of something very hard being applied with a lot of pressure. I'm not sure if I can accept a penis could do that sort of damage. Maybe they were punched out? Were the teeth recovered? I've read that a set of dentures was missing from the Fleming murder scene

[Jeff Leahy]

No, I think the significance suggested is the way in which they were killed. I will try and find more detail on this later.

However the suggestion by DuRose is that the teeth were lost in the struggle for air as they were choked on the killers, well manhood.

I'm not completely sure that this was the case with Elizebeth Figg. Brian McConnells book is quite salacious in a certain style of crime fiction of that period.

Although Seabrook's account does seem to suggest the victim scratched at her throat.

There is no mention of a tooth at the crime scene in Seabrooks account.

I think the inclusion of Elizebeth Figg should be approached with caution.

Yours Pirate

[Slipper86]

If there was any truth in the missing tooth, what significance would it hold? It's obviously a link to the other killings...could it have been some sort of trophy?

[Jeff Leahy]

The only Coroners Report that seems to have survived is Hannah Tailfords. The rest seem to have been destroyed. Which I gathered was fairly common.

I'd certainly like to know if there is any truth in McConnell's claim of a missing tooth?

With regards 'access to the files' I do have more information but somethings are best left unsaid on a public message board.

I'm happy to tell you the full story over a pint Bob, I gather there is a chance we might meet at last fairly soon.

Yours Jeff

[Slipper86]

It is very odd how the files are exempt under the Freedom of Information Act and closed until 2065. The National Archives hold the papers on the Tailford murder.

Documents like these should be made available to the public 30 years after their last entry, unless if they "contain distressing personal information about people and events... information whose release could damage national security or international relations...or if information may have been supplied subject to certain confidential undertakings"

The fact they are closed for 100 years points to a desire for all those involved to be long dead when they are opened. If they were closed for national security this opens a tantalising avenue into the Profumo Affair.