kennedy assassination

[Phryne Fisher]

Read it all ; seen it all . Over and over and over again. Now I only know one thing for sure: the shot that killed JFK came from the front.

/Basil Fawlty/ Is this a piece of your brain? /BF/

[sdreid]

Went through the film frame by frame and it came from the rear

[cappuccina]

If you look at Frame 312-313 of the Zapruder Film...

...Kennedy's head goes violently forward, a reaction to being shot from the rear...

You are correct, Stan...

[sdreid]

Yes Caps, I didn't know the frame numbers but I did look at that several years ago. If you just watch the film at regular speed, it's a little hard to see because it is so quick.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

I cannot agree with you, sorry, Caps and Stan! I just studied the Zapruder film - again...

Of course I could say, that being a Finnish country-boy I know this and that about shooting...

But to move to a thing, that got my interest; do you think, that when Kennedy is holding his hands about on his tie, he is really being hit by the bullet?!

All the best
Jukka

[sdreid]

If you look at the frame where the head is hit, you will see that the President's head has been pushed about 2" farther forward from the back of the seat compared to where it was in the previous frame. You also see the tissue, including two of what are probably bone or bullet fragments, projecting forward not to the rear or side. All indicate a rear shot. The head later flung back as a muscle reaction.

Jukka-Yes, I think he reached for his throat because that's where the first striking round, the so-called "magic bullet", exited.

[Phryne Fisher]

If you look at the frame where the head is hit, you will see that the President's head has been pushed about 2" farther forward from the back of the seat compared to where it was in the previous frame. You also see the tissue, including two of what are probably bone or bullet fragments, projecting forward not to the rear or side. All indicate a rear shot. The head later flung back as a muscle reaction.

(my bolding) Yeah, but, someone (can't remember who) said earlier in this thread that a shot head initially moves TOWARDS the direction the shot came from, then moves backwards from the direction of the shot. And they said it just as convincingly as you're now saying the opposite

Aaarrrggghhh!

[dougie]

Pretty soon we will have someone suggesting kennedy committed suicide,using a derringer skillfully concealed up his ass...and removed by the fbi,cia and lyndon johnson soon after his death.

[Phryne Fisher]

For goodness sake don't post that on any of the conspiracy sites, dougie. It'll become the latest "Truth about the Kennedy assassination" in no time!

[dougie]

For goodness sake don't post that on any of the conspiracy sites, dougie. It'll become the latest "Truth about the Kennedy assassination" in no time!

Hi Phryne,
Well I guess youve read some of the "crackers" out there.My favourites are the theories regarding the secret service man who slipped over in the back up car and blew kennedys head off by accident....and the cover up that followed .....and an even crankier one whereby officer tippit was "standing in" for kennedy as a look -alike and took the bullets,while kennedy was assassinated in private by the cia.....the bodies were then swapped at parkland hospital etc etc etc now I dont blame the authors,they are just trying to make a buck,like most authors do.....the truth is largely irrelevant to them....but how on earth could even a complete moron believe the garbage these guys turn out?
The grassy knoll gunman affair is as equally ridicolous when looked at in detail (though at first sight not as obviously so).......bullets from the front? impossible,given the nature of the physical evidence.....but still people believe....
regards

[cappuccina]

OMG, I don't believe that...

...I am about to say this...but, I agree with you on the crazy conspiracy notions dougie...wholeheartedly....

(and now, if you'll excuse me, I think I need a shower... )

[Phryne Fisher]

Hi Phryne,
Well I guess youve read some of the "crackers" out there.My favourites are the theories regarding the secret service man who slipped over in the back up car and blew kennedys head off by accident....and the cover up that followed .....and an even crankier one whereby officer tippit was "standing in" for kennedy as a look -alike and took the bullets,while kennedy was assassinated in private by the cia.....the bodies were then swapped at parkland hospital etc etc etc now I dont blame the authors,they are just trying to make a buck,like most authors do.....the truth is largely irrelevant to them....but how on earth could even a complete moron believe the garbage these guys turn out?
The grassy knoll gunman affair is as equally ridicolous when looked at in detail (though at first sight not as obviously so).......bullets from the front? impossible,given the nature of the physical evidence.....but still people believe....
regards

Yair, I loved the falling-over secret service man one - not that I believe it, I hasten to add, but it would just be soooo funny. One of those real "OH MY G*D!" moments

I'm still not entirely convinced there was no bullet from the front, but I accept that you've read more, and studied the films more closely. I'll just keep reading and thinking.

[dougie]

...I am about to say this...but, I agree with you on the crazy conspiracy notions dougie...wholeheartedly....

(and now, if you'll excuse me, I think I need a shower... )

We,in truth, are not as far apart in our opinions,as circumstances might at first glance suggest capps........though I suspect that thought might horrify you
I hope sincerely that you are not having a shower merely cos the thought of agreeing with me makes you feel "unclean"
regards

[dougie]

Yair, I loved the falling-over secret service man one - not that I believe it, I hasten to add, but it would just be soooo funny. One of those real "OH MY G*D!" moments

I'm still not entirely convinced there was no bullet from the front, but I accept that you've read more, and studied the films more closely. I'll just keep reading and thinking.

Hi phyrne,
Its not really that IVE read more about the assassination...its more about the quality, in my opinion there are 3 kinds of authors who write non-fiction works....firstly the writer whos method is to give the public what it wants,mystery,drama intrigue etc with scant regard for the facts....then the second kind is a writer who writes without any consideration whatever for the public taste,he presents the facts as he/she sees them,and cares not a fig whether his work excites ,his motive is presenting the facts.rarely do these authors complain if the ignorant public is upset or ungrateful ,that type of writing could be construed as eccentric,and rarely if ever makes the author rich.Then comes the third kind,the author who force feeds the public with what he thinks the public OUGHT to like,because its just a little superior,this kind dont write for the money...they usually dont need it......But anyway my point is authors like garrison,lane etc come into the first category,and its their works that are read ,or have been read by the majority,its why so many falsehoods persist and are repeated parrot wise by the unthinking public.The film JFK is another reason,as a movie its ok,but as a factual reconstruction of the case,its absolute nonsense.....yet people believe....and probabley always will.
If you still have doubts and suspect that the bullets came from the grassy knoll, ignore the physical evidence,ignore the fact thats its known where the bullets came from-that its known who fired them etc etc....and look at the layout of the grassy knoll,the picket fence,the crowds etc and ask yourself just where did these assassins/s appear from and disappear to afterwards? its an impossibility almost.....seek and ye shall find
take care
dougie

[Financeman]

The asnwer is simple my friends.

Mafia controled docks since WW2
CIA worked with mafia in WW2 to keep docks secure from NAZI's
CIA controled police, drugs and intelligence
JFK senior - mafia moonshine runner
JFK cracks down on mafia
JFK wants to disband CIA
JFK killed by Mafia - covered up and aided by CIA
All Covert participants killed by CIA & Mafia After Robert Kennedy was killed
Jimmy Hoffa last of the JFK killing crew to be silenced as he was about to make a deal.

Just my thoughts.