kennedy assassination

[dougie]

Im assuming that would mean,if correct, that two assassins would both have used the same make of rifle?...a Carcano...odd choice really isnt it? Not the best weapon to use for the biggest assassination in american history. Maybe interesting findings though.......
regards

[Phryne Fisher]

Good point, dougie. I don't know how many kinds of rifle there are, but if there are lots, and that type is not very good, I guess it would quite a coincidence.

As for the research, I read the full document today, and hardly understood a word of it Bit too scientific for me

[dougie]

Phyrne
Some have said that the Carcano rifle is not that bad a rifle..I admit I dont know,Im not really up on that kind of thing,but I dont think anyone would disagree that it wasnt the best rifle around at that time.I guess though ,that if the assassination was funded by the mafia,cia or oil barons or lyndon johnson, they would at least have provided the best weapons available.Also of course if a proffessional assassin brought his own rifle,I doubt that hed have brought a Carcano,and certainly not a Carcano with no telescopic sight or a defective one
Of course if the assassination was executed (excuse the pun) by Oswald and a partner,then I guess the picture changes somewhat.Having said that ,there is plenty of evidence to show Oswald acted alone,but none at all to suggest he had any help.What exactly this new evidence might suggest Im not sure.....I didnt understand it fully either but if there is anything substantial to it Im sure we will be hearing about it soon.
kind regards

[sdreid]

The crime has been reenacted several times with the same rifle and it did the job. 500 feet is close range for a rifle and Kennedy was closer that that.

[dougie]

Stan
I really dont know much about how good or how bad a weapon a Carcano was ,other than knowing it was relatively cheap.......but would it have been a weapon a professional hit man(men) might use,? or come to that a weapon a well funded group like the mafia etc would provide for an assassination of that magnitude?
regards

[sdreid]

Hi Dougie,

No, it is not a weapon that you would normally think of regarding a professional. Then again, they used an M1 Carbine to bump off Bugsy Siegel and Bernie Shelton.

[cappuccina]

Frankly, it was all Oswald could get his hands on, moneywise, and he knew it could do the job, so he used it. No big mystery here, either.

[sdreid]

Yes, I think Oswald knew from the start that it was going to have to be a throwaway rifle so why be stupid and buy something like a Weatherby Custom rifle that might cost more than $1000 at the time. It's a much better rifle but Kennedy wouldn't be any deader because of it.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

I'm sorry, if I repeat the same things mentioned here earlier, but;

According to Jim Garrison, there were also found a Mauser rifle from the firing distance. I know, that Mauser is a good rifle!

With Carcano, I know only the things I've read about; a cheap, not very good mailing-catalogue rifle. The aim, if I remember correctly, was totally out of order, while being found. But that, of course, could have been made after the shooting for misleading purposes...

Then, the main point; Oswald is said to have been poor like a church-mouse. How come he could afford to rent apartments here and there though?!

All the best
Jukka

[dougie]

jr-ahde
There were a lot of things around according to garrison ,but most of his statements are a mixture of downright lies and elaborate distortion.
Osawld might have rented places "here and there",but it wasnt a sign of wealth,quite the opposite...the last "apartment" he rented was not much bigger than a large broom cupboard As for any cash he might have had,if thats what you are suggesting..he WAS as poor as the proverbial church mouse.
regards

[Stephen Thomas]

Was Oswald a CIA operative, dougie?

[Graham]

Hi all.

I don't know much about particular makes of rifle, but I do know that the Carcano (designed in 1891 I believe) was originally an Italian army carbine and was good for accurate shooting over a range far greater than that from the TSBD to where JFK was when he was hit. I've done a bit of shooting in my time, and I know that you don't have to be Davy Crockett to hit a target 1000' away with a decently set-up, relatively modern, rifle. Sounds a long way, but it isn't by shooting standards.

Probably unlike the vast majority of people writing to this thread, I've actually stood as close as one can get to where JFK was shot (in my case, very close to the Grassy Knoll - just up from the sidewalk where there's a car-park) and the distance from the 5th floor of the TSBD didn't seem that far to me. However, JFK was a moving target, moving away (and I think slightly to the right of a rifleman in the TSBD), which couldn't have made matters easier. If the fatal shots did come from the 5th floor of the TSBD, then they were good shots, but not brilliant. It would have been far harder had JFK been a deflection target, i.e., moving from L to R or vice versa. Maybe Bob Hinton could add to this.

I always thought that Oswald could have done it and had the necessary skill to do it, but at the same time I can't accept that he acted totally and completely alone. He had help, even though 'conspiracy' might be too much to describe the help he had. Like a lot of killers, I think his No 1 mistake was not getting the hell out of Dallas pronto, rather than hanging around almost waiting to be arrested.

I have to agree with Dougie that Oswald, whether or not he had any Mafia or CIA backing, hadn't got a pot to piss in, and the places he lived in really were semi-slums. It almost makes you think that his attitude might have been, "OK, I'll do it, but I do it for my own reasons and I don't want anything for it". Maybe.

Cheers,

Graham

[Stephen Thomas]

Hi Graham

To quote, sort of, Jack Ruby, if he loved the President so much, why didn't he go to the parade?

[Graham]

Too busy making $$$'s out of his hookers, probably...until someone put him right.

Graham

[sdreid]

Yes, at the distance Oswald was shooting, you don't really need a telescopic sight.

I love some the actors in the recreations who hold the sight right up near their eye like they're looking through a spyglass. If you shoot like that, you'll get a really big black eye from the recoil if not a fractured orbital bone.