Lizzie Borden Case

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Borden Trial Transcripts

This page is from the website above and includes the Borden Trial Transcripts in two PDF's:

http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary/trialtranscript.htm

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The Lizzie Bordon Crime Library and Virtual Museum

Hi everybody.

I recently came across a great resource called 'The Lizzie Bordon Crime Library and Virtual Museum'.

Here is the website: http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary.htm

You can click on a category and it will lead you to a new section. The Crime Scene section contains several photos I'd never seen before.

I also came across two photos of the young Lizzie that I might be of interest, so attached them below.

Best regards,
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[Semper_Eadem]

I haven't studied Lizzie Bordon since my late teens. I always thought she did it. Regarding the burnt dress, I think she got paint on it purposely to cover up any blood she got on it and to give her a reason to burn it. I wonder how much blood she would of gotten on the dress anyways.

As for her hacking her back I think she had a spell of raving mania when she did that act, She paid him back for all the oppression he gave her. I think Andrew Bordon wasn't above giving his daughter emotional abuse with continual put downs,, belittlement's what have you. All I know is that Emma and Lizzie were some real unhappy girls/spinsters. Of course I am going off memory here and my assessment and views of the case are the ones I had as a 16 year old. I guess I need to recap but I have been down this road before on this case so re-studying it isn't at the top of my list no matter how fascinating it is.

[mariab]

Maria: Yes, the case does seem transparent. But I'd still like to know how, exactly, she did it.

Get you, Ken. Borden's whereabouts were unaccounted for at least 30 minutes, during which she could have easily burned her bloodstained clothes. Also, the barn apparently had a large vise, where she could have broken off the handle of the hatchet, burned the handle in the kitchen stove, and dipped the cleaned, wet hatchet head in wood ashes or something.

[The Grave Maurice]

Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

Uh oh. I was only following your example, Stan. You've seemed to enjoy retirement so much that I thought I'd join you and get in on the fun.

Maria: Yes, the case does seem transparent. But I'd still like to know how, exactly, she did it.

[mariab]

I've read a bit about the Borden case but hope to get into it in more depth after my fast-approaching retirement. The fact that the murders occurred in 1892 make them an interesting companion piece with Whitechapel. Authors such as Frank Spiering have written on both subjects...although I hope his book on Lizzie is better than his one on JtR.

Until 1975, I knew more about the Borden murders than JtR.

Several American Ripperologists are also experts on the Lizzie Borden case, which compared to the Whitechapel murders is pretty transparent.

Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

LOL. And I'm sick today (in Illinois), which feels sorta like being retired – but with pain.

[Errata]

There's a soft drink bottler in Fall River, and I was thinking someone should approach them about making a line of soft drinks called "Fizzie Lizzie".

Just a a thought

One of those hyper caffeinated sodas called Forty Whacks?

[Magpie]

There's a soft drink bottler in Fall River, and I was thinking someone should approach them about making a line of soft drinks called "Fizzie Lizzie".

Just a a thought

[sdreid]

All the best on your Borden research Maurice. Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

[The Grave Maurice]

I've read a bit about the Borden case but hope to get into it in more depth after my fast-approaching retirement. The fact that the murders occurred in 1892 make them an interesting companion piece with Whitechapel. Authors such as Frank Spiering have written on both subjects...although I hope his book on Lizzie is better than his one on JtR.

[sdreid]

I had heard of the case with some vague stories but the first significant account I was exposed to was when I watched the Armstrong Circle Theater rendition in 1961. We discussed it in school the next; in English class oddly. I always thought Lizzie did it but the TV program leaned more toward Bridget Sullivan as the killer.

Until 1975, I knew more about the Borden murders than JtR.

[Beowulf]

Have to add my 2 cents, cannot imagine Lizzie didn't do it. So many reasons, one, her explaination as to where she was when her parents were being murdered was she was busy up in the barn attic looking for sinkers and eating peaches when it was August 4th, extremely hot and humid and the attic had to be over 100 degrees up there and stifling.

And in the dusty floor was not one footprint.

The dress she burned had 'red' on it, and she claimed it was paint.

No one else was home but for the maid who was in the back yard talking over the fence to the other maid (yes, there is nothing like a hard working maid). Unless that was a lie and she helped Lizzie do it.

After Lizzie was aquitted the maid got a sum of money and left town. Hmm.

and so many other details that make Liz look pretty bad.

Would love to spend a night at the Borden house, during a thunderstorm.

[Errata]

Hi Errata,

Sounds like you're relatively young. You must be an American to have such problems with insurance. British posters reading your post will probably be shocked with the injustice of our medical system, but it's a sad reality. The entire system is based around making insurance companies and doctors rich while denying the public with the care they need. Literally every medical doctor breaks the hypocratic oath every day in this country by letting insurance companies dictate how they can treat their patients. It's one of my biggest pet peeves. Someday, history will look back at this time and determine that our medical system is really and truly criminal, which it is. In England, all prescriptions are the same price, no matter quantity, and you don't have to pay when you go to the hospital. Doctors there are actually encouraged and rewarded for going above and beyond in helping a patient, including preventative treatment (such as encouraging a stop smoking program and successfully seeing that patient through it). I think eventually America will come around to this, but not in our lifetimes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Amen brother.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Errata,

Sounds like you're relatively young. You must be an American to have such problems with insurance. British posters reading your post will probably be shocked with the injustice of our medical system, but it's a sad reality. The entire system is based around making insurance companies and doctors rich while denying the public with the care they need. Literally every medical doctor breaks the hypocratic oath every day in this country by letting insurance companies dictate how they can treat their patients. It's one of my biggest pet peeves. Someday, history will look back at this time and determine that our medical system is really and truly criminal, which it is. In England, all prescriptions are the same price, no matter quantity, and you don't have to pay when you go to the hospital. Doctors there are actually encouraged and rewarded for going above and beyond in helping a patient, including preventative treatment (such as encouraging a stop smoking program and successfully seeing that patient through it). I think eventually America will come around to this, but not in our lifetimes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Errata]

I was taught that feminists ARE humanists. Feminism is, if nothing else, the recognition that there are serious problems within the female community, both externally and internally applied. And the fight shifts. Originally it was legal discrimination against women. Then it was cultural discrimination. Now it's... complicated. Legally, we tend to fight for better laws against stalkers, rapists and abusers. We tend to be pretty rabidly pro choice, so we fight there too. I think if you look at the legislative agenda of NOW you might be surprised at the diversity.

And I do talk about myself, because my feminism is clearly the kind I know best. I mean, I'm a lot of things. I'm a woman, a Jew, a southerner, mentally ill... there is injustice with being all of those things. Sometimes it's casual, sometimes it's acute. And certainly fighting for the rights of these groups is enlightened self interest. But it is also born of an intense desire that others do not face what I have faced, or my mother has faced. I know what that feels like, and as a human being I have a duty to leave the world better than when I came in. Or at least to try. Feminism, and especially NOW gives me a way to do that. It gives me a platform, it gives me shelter in a way, it lets me add my voice to those of others, so we can shout. And we shout at ourselves far more than at the government or big business.

As for Medicare, I am going to try and reign in my temper because I am so effing frustrated with them right now. Anyone on disability has Medicare. Anyone on government assistance is on Medicare. I am on Medicare, and I can assure you that it was the most humiliating decision of my life. I am severely Bipolar. And I am on a lot of medication. I see a lot of doctors. The second that I was dropped from my parent's insurance, I became uninsurable. No company will insure me for any price. Now I can work (though not without certain problems), but all my training has either been associated with entertainment, or jewelry. Neither of which gives employees insurance. Not that I can get insurance that way anyway. I've been rejected three times by employee insurance programs. In three years I wiped out my life savings, my trust fund, and all of my inheritance money on medical bills. The irony is that I could have afforded expensive insurance. I can't afford my medical care. Disability was literally the only way to get insured. And I cried a lot over that, because I've worked so hard to not be disabled by my illnesses. So that's my sob story.

But a significant portion of the people on Medicaid are single mothers. Young single mothers. Personally, I'm on the pill because I cannot take the risk of passing on my genes. Really, the disabled and single moms are the last group you want to deny the pill. Which can cost as much as 65 bucks month. That's a lot of money for someone who can't work, or can't get enough work. But the real problem is that pill is not just a contraceptive. It is used to regulate irregular or painful menstrual cycles, to clear up severe acne, most importantly, it is one of the only ways to control endometriosis, which aside from being hideously painful can slowly eat away your innards (only kind of an exaggeration). It's a hormone. It's a legitimate medication. And the only reason to drop it from medicare coverage is to punish women for having bad morals. Which the author fully admits. Of course, Medicare still covers Viagra...

I fully admit that I will probably look upon Medicare much more kindly as soon as they hop on the "Send me my card so I don't have to compile vast amounts of paperwork to get retroactive coverage" bandwagon.