Reincarnation

[Jane Welland]

Hi Celesta

I find the trouble is that it raises so many questions that may be impossible to answer at the end of the day. These are deep and complex matters of phillsophy (which included religion imo), psychology and faith which take time and effort to contemplate!

I did most of my contemplating on this one years ago now, but that doesn't mean I understand any of it. I have been obliged to accept that I have to accept it, even if I can't explain it, which for me is difficult.

So, until I can find a better solution, re-incarnation it is.

I don't think that in any way devalues the importance of living life to the full, mind you!

Jane x

[Celesta]

Jane, I'm more or less on the same track.

[Jane Welland]

Yes, where does it stop?

Recent research suggest that plants 'talk' to each other, implying some form of consciousness, imo (I realise that what constitutes consciousness is a hotly debated topic).

Perhaps, being all made of the same stuff fundamentally, the human, animal and plant worlds aren't so far removed from one another as we might have thought.

I'm straying a bit there from multiple lives. In my personal experience, many people have 'memories' of things - times, places, etc - they cannot explain.

I don't think my Nan was really Nell Gwynn, on the other hand.

Jane x

[Celesta]

Archaic, Thanks for the book rec. I'm going to get a copy of this.

Jane, I sometimes have what seems like memories of another time, but I couldn't produce a name if I had, too. Still the so-called memories seem to be consistent, but I have no clue what they mean.

Quasar, I agree about the soul. I believe that animals possess souls, too.

Better stop there!

[Jane Welland]

Hmm..

To say who you were in a previous life I think is to miss the point. .

My Nan always swore she was Nell Gwynn....

Jane x

[quasar]

To say who you were in a previous life I think is to miss the point. It is kind of making fun of something serious. I have reached the point long ago where I believe the whole heaven and hell thing is rediculous. Most religous people I find a little irritating , like Ned Flanders. Then, which is the one TRUE god?, is an argument that will never be resolved. There are some people out there who actually see themselves as 'Jedi' , strange but true. If I could choose my god now it would be Arnie's God in 'Conan the Barbarian' - CROM. That's the god for me.

I voted yes becuase I know I have a soul, and bugger anyone who sais that I don't. What will happen to it when I pass is a mystery - and that is how it will always be. Thanks ,Q.

[rain]

I agree, Jane. It's a great mystery. In addition, the history and development of Christianity was more complex than many people understand. I don't pretend to be a Biblical historian, but I know that different congregations and Christian leaders had different ideas. Some early Christians may have believed in reincarnation, and there are passages in the NT which strongly suggest a belief in a pre-life, or pre-natal existence, and reincarnation.

Here is an example of scripture suggestive of reincarnation.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen3.html

People are free to believe, or not...or they should be.

Thank you, Celesta.

those just the biblical verses I was thinking that should be taught.

[Archaic]

'The Lost Secret of Death'

For anybody who has ever pondered the nature of Human Life, Human Death, and the Human Soul,
I highly recommend a book by Peter Novak called 'The Lost Secret of Death.' It's an absolutely fascinating exploration of the "Dual Nature" of the human soul.
It's the only book I've ever found which manages to unite a multitude of the world's seemingly disparate views of the Soul in a manner which illuminates the actual nature of our existence AND our experience after physical death.

Novak explores many historic religious perspectives- Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Ancient Egyptian, Native American, etc., as well as modern Scientific and Psychological theories, and shows that they may all be attempting to describe the same incredibly profound human experience from a slightly different angle.
In other words, these faiths and sciences are not mutually exclusive, but mutually true.

The first link is to Novak's website; the second link offers a couple of reviews of his book; one is by a PhD. This book is the follow-up to his book called 'Division of Consciousness'.

http://www.geocities.com/divisiontheory/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Secret-Death-Divided-Afterlife/dp/1571743243

Note: This isn't a book one can read quickly or skim through. It's beautifully written, but sometimes the implications of a single sentence are so profound that you may have to set the book down for a little while and let the meaning sink in.
*I promise if you read it your mind will expand so much that you will go up one full hat size!
Best regards, Archaic

[Celesta]

I agree, Jane. It's a great mystery. In addition, the history and development of Christianity was more complex than many people understand. I don't pretend to be a Biblical historian, but I know that different congregations and Christian leaders had different ideas. Some early Christians may have believed in reincarnation, and there are passages in the NT which strongly suggest a belief in a pre-life, or pre-natal existence, and reincarnation.

Here is an example of scripture suggestive of reincarnation.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen3.html

People are free to believe, or not...or they should be.

[halomanuk]

Good for you Rain but i prefer to keep studying the paranormal until i find proof.
But respect to you for your belief definately.

[rain]

That's not strictly true. Reincarnation was part of early Christian teaching but disappeared with the establishment of orthodoxy. It's all a great mystery, I think. Jane x

as it should be taught today...

[Jane Welland]

Well..

That's not strictly true. Reincarnation was part of early Christian teaching but disappeared with the establishment of orthodoxy. It's all a great mystery, I think. Jane x

[rain]

No comment..it's too big a question for a basic poll.

It goes against basic christian teaching but after research I found that it would be ok for Christians to believe in reincarnation

[Celesta]

Do you also imagine a plummed hat, Rob?

Nice to see you, Rob.

[cats meat man]

Might explain why I break into a trot with an imaginary horse whenever I hear a trumpet played.Very embarrassing when a brass band is down the town!