Move to Murder: Who Killed Julia Wallace?

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[Ven]

Re how the murder scene happened, I've always wanted to get a team together with video obviously, and re-enact it using all the theories put forward

[Ven]

I'll try and google/you tube them

[WallaceWackedHer]

lol, the chess episode,,, how do i find that?!!

It's called "The Most Dangerous Match". It's my favorite episode to be honest, that and the guillotine one.

[WallaceWackedHer]

Hey WWH,

Amy is a real brain drainer. I believe William had a strong connection with her , sexual or as a big brother, but I used the "big brother" side in my story.

Not sure of the "blood everywhere", your previous picture posts (you circled the blood spots) had blood on the wall from behind where she was hit, which suits my thesis...but not anywhere else.
If there was "blood everywhere" it still looks like it's restricted to the parlour.

I still think William was the caller..but happy to disagree...HERLOCK WHERE ARE YOU? lol

Ven
"The man in the back said "Everyone attack.. can you turn it to a Ballroom Blitz"

Oh it's certainly restricted to the parlour (arguably the pound notes and toilet too). The thing is, the crappy pictures online make it look like there's no blood spray. Here, it is shown the blood really was all over the walls and even on the ceiling.

MacFall said he believes she was sitting in the armchair to the left of the fireplace (Gannon's book is wrong) with her head turned slightly to the left "as though in conversation". If the raincoat was placed on top of her head, there would be no spray, as the impact would be 100% shielded. The fact there's spray suggests her head wasn't covered. It would have been the best way to do it though... Julia holding it up, I don't think so.

But Morland (I think Morland), wrote that he believes WALLACE held the jacket up like a matador's cape, and shielded himself that way. I don't think it's a great theory though. Wearing it offers far better protection than using it like a cape.

In regards to the jacket there are many possibilities, including potential innocence scenarios. It concerns me slightly that it might be a purposefully placed red herring, because it's so easy to get caught up in it and forget the rest of the details. I doubt it, but I'd hate for the killer to be having us all on like that.

I wish I was a better artist so I could draw where MacFall is saying Julia was and where the first strike landed. The first strike, he believes, is on the left front of her head (just above and in front of the ear, if you imagine). It's very hard to see where exactly the killer had stood.

Julia being on her knees in front of the chair might be better. Then the strike comes down onto that spot, the killer standing near the violin case (which fits with a "musical evening")... It should be noted that Wallace and Julia would often perform duets for Amy in the parlour when she visited... According to all sources Julia did not like Amy much. It's very speculative on their part it sounds like, but authors like Goodman etc. all seem to suggest domineering Amy was not popular with meek Julia. Apparently Amy would also admonish Julia for filling in for William at work when he was sick, saying it's unladylike... She apparently did not think Julia was good enough for him or something... I think this is all Goodman's book, it's available on Kindle, check it out.

I did wonder though, about the possibility that the front skull wound is from faceplanting onto the corner of the fireplace rather than being the first strike - but I'll trust forensics on positioning.

[Ven]

I just think Amy's statement is suss, what was her relationship with Julia like, why the obscure references to the destination... if she lied it was a big lie ...not a partial lie

[Ven]

lol, the chess episode,,, how do i find that?!!

[Ven]

Hey WWH,

Amy is a real brain drainer. I believe William had a strong connection with her , sexual or as a big brother, but I used the "big brother" side in my story.

Not sure of the "blood everywhere", your previous picture posts (you circled the blood spots) had blood on the wall from behind where she was hit, which suits my thesis...but not anywhere else.
If there was "blood everywhere" it still looks like it's restricted to the parlour.

I still think William was the caller..but happy to disagree...HERLOCK WHERE ARE YOU? lol

Ven
"The man in the back said "Everyone attack.. can you turn it to a Ballroom Blitz"

[WallaceWackedHer]

Hey WWH,

Is my theory of a shield and then draping in over her after shes fallen plausible?
I can't think of any other reason there's minimal blood splats on the wall, roof anywhere else in the house.
Blood can't get on inner sleeve if the head is covered. it gets on if the "shield is held up inside out or otherwise.
Yes , the "spring chicken"(as we shall now call it) is a discussion I created to solidify the MOTIVE... people talked and thought in those days too. The murder just didn't happen as an historical item. She WAS 16 years older... it just fits... like so many of your other theories, some based on hypothesis, that this is why she was murdered.

You may not like some of Antony's book but there are items that are valid, he did do research. And he has been of assistance to me with some questions I have asked him when i did not have access to the Casebook. Antony isn't trying to solve the murder(s) - he has several books now, he likes to plant the seed.. and that is why i am here now... which is kinda weird, because if i have solved the crime then his books become redundant... quite the conundrum.. so Antony is not going to back me up...lol

and yes, I have solved it...you just don't get it yet

Ven
"desolation boulevard"

The idea is the same as James Murphy's book which I have (and the prosecution's case, albeit they did not know her age while Murphy does). I'm going to see the same file Murphy saw on Thursday.

I initially thought Wallace acted solo, I am now not of that opinion at all, since the facts don't fit for the caller being him very well. Although it makes for a good murder mystery type thing... I'm pretty sure the exact same scenario was played out in an episode of Columbo (really - the chess episode).

I also initially believed the parlour looked clean, I thought it was like a showroom. I was mistaken. It's the picture quality. The room looks like that scene from The Shining. I have a HD photograph in another book. I posted it somewhere actually, probably in my thread.

There's blood EVERYWHERE. It's splattered across the walls and ceiling. This is why the mackintosh was evidently not placed on her head. The forensics suggested it was worn based on the splatter patterns on it.

I don't think there's any necessity that the caller and the killer are the same person, or that the two events are linked. It really doesn't make that much difference, but it removes a lot of issues in the case if they aren't.

I don't mind Antony's book, though he is the type of person to talk behind people's back as per Rod Crosby, and I don't so much appreciate that (not a big deal though). But the book in some parts is a great tool... For example the Exhibit section I really like.

You might be onto a winner in regards to Amy. Hers is a name that crops up often, randomly in newspapers and stuff (some years after the fact, people writing in with witness statements relating to her)... One person wrote to the paper and said at the time of the murder, they saw Amy asking for directions to Menlove Gardens East, and when they said it doesn't exist she insisted it did and that she'd just been there. I believe that was meant to have happened the next day after the killing (allegedly)... There's also a strange man who was the police's initial suspect, who got a cab from near Wolverton to Sefton Park (the area Amy lives in). I think that is unrelated but still worth a mention.

[Ven]

Hey WWH,

Is my theory of a shield and then draping in over her after shes fallen plausible?
I can't think of any other reason there's minimal blood splats on the wall, roof anywhere else in the house.
Blood can't get on inner sleeve if the head is covered. it gets on if the "shield is held up inside out or otherwise.
Yes , the "spring chicken"(as we shall now call it) is a discussion I created to solidify the MOTIVE... people talked and thought in those days too. The murder just didn't happen as an historical item. She WAS 16 years older... it just fits... like so many of your other theories, some based on hypothesis, that this is why she was murdered.

You may not like some of Antony's book but there are items that are valid, he did do research. And he has been of assistance to me with some questions I have asked him when i did not have access to the Casebook. Antony isn't trying to solve the murder(s) - he has several books now, he likes to plant the seed.. and that is why i am here now... which is kinda weird, because if i have solved the crime then his books become redundant... quite the conundrum.. so Antony is not going to back me up...lol

and yes, I have solved it...you just don't get it yet

Ven
"desolation boulevard"

[WallaceWackedHer]

I know I've posted this before but I think its worth noting again. When a person doesn't use contractions like " I did not do it" instead of "I didn't do it" it is known investigation tool as a sign of guilt.

Take Bill Clinton's claim of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." The most famous denial ever. Lol.

I realize that is not evidence in a court of law however it is evidence to a good Investigator.

Respectfully,
MK114

I'm unsure about forensic linguistics. According to that field of science, William is innocent, since he gives a very clear and concise declaration of innocence, when arrested and after sentencing.

[MK114]

I know I've posted this before but I think its worth noting again. When a person doesn't use contractions like " I did not do it" instead of "I didn't do it" it is known investigation tool as a sign of guilt.

Take Bill Clinton's claim of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." The most famous denial ever. Lol.

I realize that is not evidence in a court of law however it is evidence to a good Investigator.

Respectfully,
MK114

[WallaceWackedHer]

Hey WWH,

I'm really looking forward to what you find in those files... then you coming to Melbourne and we sit down at a pub somewhere at end up laughing at how stupid we both were

Ven
"everybody needs a piece of the action...action...action...

Me too. Ideally I want to digitize the entire case file so it's publicly accessible for anyone to read.

Re: your other post, I'm on board with William lying, so I don't think we can safely say he did eat dinner when he got in.

Blood gets on the inner sleeve when the killer takes their hand out. There was a young girl who wore a pink bathrobe and murdered her parents, when they found the robe, it had staining on the inner sleeve where she'd removed it. It's considered a distinctive stain.

William boarded a tram home at 8 PM is the claim. The tram conductor being exactly bang on accurate cannot necessarily be expected. It is the problem I also have with his statement, but his persistence and die hard belief in what he saw is undeniable.

The fact she told him about her age over a random conversation about being spring chickens is also rumour. Well not actually rumour, there wasn't any rumour. There's nothing at all to say he didn't know her age, or conversely that he ever found out. I think it's possible he knew in the first years he met her but was cool with it (and covered it for her sake). I didn't know he even cared about having children.

Wallace didn't know about forensics, that's why he wouldn't know about the time of death thing. There's no reason to extend his outing beyond a trip there and then back home after. Hence I said if it was a plan (and much of everything suggests he was not the one who placed the call), then I think Parry called and fudged the details that Wallace had told him to give... I definitely don't think a fake address is viable or necessary.

I wouldn't really use Antony's book (Move to Murder) as a reference since it mixes fact with fiction. For example, there's passages about "M's gaudy ring" dropped in in exactly the same way as a passage where Wallace's chess opponent asks for Wallace's address. One of those is actual fact. But reading it, you don't know what's real and what's invented... Though quite obviously the theory presented as the answer is close to being literally impossible.

[Ven]

If the new docs show it to be Ninjas then i understand why they didn't leave footprints on the parlour ceiling!!

[Ven]

Hey WWH,

I'm really looking forward to what you find in those files... then you coming to Melbourne and we sit down at a pub somewhere at end up laughing at how stupid we both were

Ven
"everybody needs a piece of the action...action...action...