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  • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Rod’s ‘scenario’ is that after Wallace left for MGE the Accomplice turns up at the door claiming to be Mr Qualtrough. The idea is that there had been a mix up with the message. Qualtrough then asks if he can come in to await Wallace’s return. Julia was know to be very reluctant to let people in when Wallace wasn’t there. Wallace gave a list of people that Juliawould have let in because she knew them (Parry was on the list of course.) And so, as Wallace himself said that Julia would have only allowed someone in that she knew, Parry needed Wallace to have specifically mentioned the name Qualtrough to her so that when he arrived at the door she’d have at least heard of him and might have let him in.

    If Wallace hadn’t mentioned the name Qualtrough to Julia....and there was absolutely no reason to suspect that he might....then she wouldn’t have let a stranger into the house.
    But I've just exploded this claim as both unfounded and illogical, even allowing for the entirely speculative "If...."
    Last edited by RodCrosby; 01-19-2019, 10:32 PM.
    "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
    Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
    The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

    Compendium of Resources
    https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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    • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
      The guy turns up.
      "Hello, I'm Qualtrough. I telephoned the chess-club last night to arrange a meeting with Mr. Wallace tonight."
      We know for certain Julia would have recognised the last two facts (she told Amy so only three hours before), and we have no evidence she would have not recognised the first (just hopeful theorising)...
      Wriggling Rod Crosby strikes again!

      We are talking about an alleged plan.

      Plans categorically do not rely completely on luck. Iíll repeat...they do not!

      Parry could have absolutely no reason to assume or even suspect that William would have gone into any details about his evenings business. Whether about mentioning Qualtrough or MGE.

      There was every chance that he might just have said ďoh by the way, I have to go out on business tonight dear. I shanít be long.Ē

      Therefore itís not a plan.

      Itís a fingers crossed hope for a big chunk of luck. And when we combine that with all the other effort made in the preparation of the plan we can see it for what it is.

      Simply not believable!
      Regards

      Herlock



      “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

      “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

      ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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      • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
        So there was no known motive, as accepted by the Police and Prosecution.

        To attempt to offer one (still less demand that there was some unknown motive) is mere prejudice and fancy...
        Like the invention of an accomplice that you can neither name or even prove existed.

        Give up Rod.
        Regards

        Herlock



        “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

        “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

        ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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        • but we already know...

          a) Wallace did tell Julia a lot more
          b) the Cambridge-educated Judge told the Jury your protestations are nonsense...
          Last edited by RodCrosby; 01-19-2019, 10:42 PM.
          "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
          Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
          The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
          https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

          Compendium of Resources
          https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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          • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
            But I've just exploded this claim as both unfounded and illogical, even allowing for the entirely speculative "If...."
            I must have missed it.

            The obvious logic of my point could be understood by a toddler. You explained or exploded nothing. Ever.

            No one would have come up with a plan as stupid as Parryís.

            Based on Wallace mentioning to Julia SPECIFICALLY about QUALTROUGH and MENLOVE GARDENS EAST.
            Regards

            Herlock



            “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

            “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

            ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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            • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
              but we already know...

              a) Wallace did tell Julia a lot more
              b) the Cambridge-educated Judge told the Jury your protestations are nonsense...
              You can’t even claim ‘me no understand’ here Rod. Your simply not being honest and not for the first time.

              Point a) it’s completely and utterly irrelevant that Wallace actually did mention the evenings business trip (but not Qualtrough) the whole of my point is, as you well know, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY PARRY COULD HAVE EVEN HOPED, SUSPECTED OR RELIED ON WALLACE TELLING JULIA ABOUT QUALTROUGH OR MENLOVE GARDENS EAST.

              Point b) I refuse to waste time with your endless and feeble recourse to the opinions of judges and lawyers as if they are holy writ. It’s pathetic, pointless and tedious. It’s also noticeable how you have to snobbishly add in Cambridge educated as if even historical figures need the same kind of constant ego boosting that you appear to do.
              Regards

              Herlock



              “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

              “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

              ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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              • for the hard of hearing

                Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
                but we already know...

                a) Wallace did tell Julia a lot more
                b) the Cambridge-educated Judge told the Jury your protestations are nonsense...
                "Indeed, the evidence is quite consistent with some unknown criminal for some unknown motive having got into the house, and executed the murder and gone away...Human nature is very strange. You may have a man send a bogus message, and having sent the bogus message, even if he did not see the prisoner actually leave the house, he might go to the house, ring the bell or knock at the door, and be admitted by Mrs. Wallace. If she had been told, as the prisoner said, that the prisoner was seeking an interview with Qualtrough, and if he was admitted, he would soon find out where the prisoner was, and find out that he was not in the house : on the other hand, if he found he was in the house he could go away..."
                Mr. Justice Wright, summing-up in Rex v Wallace
                "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
                Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
                The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
                https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

                Compendium of Resources
                https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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                • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
                  You would only carbon date the ink if you suspected it to be significantly more recent than it purported to be...

                  That clearly was not at issue in 1931. And the (unrequired) techniques were not yet invented anyhow.

                  Why not focus on the facts, instead of inane theories and cracks that can only boomerang back on you?
                  forgive my mirth, trying to keep things light.

                  You know the way this whole case is a complete mystery , accepted as such by ' the best investigative writers, for the last 88 years. This is because the facts as we know them are completely exhausted and are of little use in trying to come to a decision one way or another, when it comes to an agreeable solution.
                  One thing is pretty certain though, to my mind. The perpetrator of this crime is neither a sneak thief, Richard Parry ,or the Anfield burglar, by reason of the intense malice and hatred exhibited by the culprit.
                  P.S. Try and lighten up, have another glass of red!

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                  • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
                    for the hard of hearing


                    "Indeed, the evidence is quite consistent with some unknown criminal for some unknown motive having got into the house, and executed the murder and gone away...Human nature is very strange. You may have a man send a bogus message, and having sent the bogus message, even if he did not see the prisoner actually leave the house, he might go to the house, ring the bell or knock at the door, and be admitted by Mrs. Wallace. If she had been told, as the prisoner said, that the prisoner was seeking an interview with Qualtrough, and if he was admitted, he would soon find out where the prisoner was, and find out that he was not in the house : on the other hand, if he found he was in the house he could go away..."
                    Mr. Justice Wright, summing-up in Rex v Wallace
                    And so goes your final chance to salvage a shred of integrity.

                    But he didnít mention Qualtrough. Amy never mentioned Qualtrough or MGE. And we know from Wallace himself that Julia would only have admitted someone that she knew. Thatís why Wallace gave the police the list in the first place.
                    Regards

                    Herlock



                    “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                    “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                    ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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                    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                      Point b) I refuse to waste time with your endless and feeble recourse to the opinions of judges and lawyers as if they are holy writ. It’s pathetic, pointless and tedious. It’s also noticeable how you have to snobbishly add in Cambridge educated as if even historical figures need the same kind of constant ego boosting that you appear to do.
                      Yes, if only we had more judges who cannot grasp facts, who do not have a logical faculty, who cannot recognise a 'non sequitur', who substitute prejudice and fancy for objectivity, and who have weird obsessions, the justice system would be so much the better, I'm sure !!
                      "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
                      Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
                      The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
                      https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

                      Compendium of Resources
                      https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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                      • And another thing.

                        Why didnít Parry, this consummate actor and man of a thousand voices simple wait until Wallace was at the club when he made the call. Only then would he have had any level of certainty that Wallace was going to go to MGE the following night?
                        Regards

                        Herlock



                        “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                        “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                        ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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                        • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
                          Yes, if only we had more judges who cannot grasp facts, who do not have a logical faculty, who cannot recognise a 'non sequitur', who substitute prejudice and fancy for objectivity, and who have weird obsessions, the justice system would be so much the better, I'm sure !!
                          Your wriggling again.

                          My point is black and white. Beyond debate. Cannot be argued with. Utterly logical and based on your plan and itís objectives.

                          Keep wriggling.

                          Might be time for a graph
                          Regards

                          Herlock



                          “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                          “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                          ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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                          • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                            But he didnít mention Qualtrough. Amy never mentioned Qualtrough or MGE.
                            As I've demonstrated, that's just your desperate theorising, argumentum ad ignorantiam...

                            Not fact.
                            "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
                            Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
                            The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
                            https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

                            Compendium of Resources
                            https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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                            • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                              And another thing.

                              Why didn’t Parry, this consummate actor and man of a thousand voices simple wait until Wallace was at the club when he made the call. Only then would he have had any level of certainty that Wallace was going to go to MGE the following night?
                              And Wallace, likewise, would have had a "level of certainty" that...

                              a) this was bullshit
                              b) he knew the voice

                              Did you not read Dorothy L. Sayers from 1936 ?

                              She, like many authors, agrees with me.
                              Last edited by RodCrosby; 01-19-2019, 11:18 PM.
                              "I make a point of never having any prejudices, and of following docilely where fact may lead me..."
                              Sherlock Holmes, in The Adventure of The Reigate Squires
                              The Accomplice Theory - 'on balance, the best explanation for one of the most puzzling murder cases in British criminal history' - Move to Murder, 2018
                              https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0jpn0kyuq...heory.pdf?dl=0

                              Compendium of Resources
                              https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...882#post650882

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                              • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
                                As I've demonstrated, that's just your desperate theorising, argumentum ad ignorantiam...

                                Not fact.
                                Itís a fact.

                                Amy never mentioned Qualtrough or MGE so itís entirely reasonable to assume (especially as its such an unusual name) that Wallace hadnít mentioned it to Julia. Itís called reason and basic intelligence.

                                And for the last time, hopefully, whether he mentioned it or not, Iíll stress this for you Rod.....

                                No pretence at not understanding.....

                                No wriggling or avoiding........

                                Ready.....?

                                RICHARD GORDON PARRY COULD HAVE HAD ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON TO HOPE, SUSPECT, BELIEVE OR EVEN PRAY THAT WILLIAM WOULD GO ON TO MENTION SPECIFICALLY THE NAME QUALTROUGH OR THE ADDRESS MENLOVE GARDENS EAST TO JULIA. AND WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, ACCORDING TO WALLACE AND TO YOUR SCENARIO, THE PLAN FAILS. YOU CANT DENY THIS BECAUSE THE WHOLE CRUX OF YOUR ĎSCENARIOí IS THAT THE ACCOMPLICE GOES TO THE HOUSE AND ALLEGES TO BE QUALTROUGH. SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MEANINGLESS IF WALLACE HADNT HAVE TOLD HER ABOUT HIM.

                                I appeal to any fair minded and reasoned poster to tell me that there is any fault in anything Iíve said here. It is exact and perfect truth as per Rodís scenario.

                                Rodís embarrassingly desperate wriggling is there for all to see in black and white. Not for the first time youíve exposed your lack of integrity here tonight. Your complete unwillingness to admit the obvious if it doesnít fit in with your Ďscenario.í
                                Regards

                                Herlock



                                “All conspiracy theories are the product of the subconscious attempt of an ignorant yet creative mind to counteract the fear of the unknown with the tales of fantasy.” Abhijit Naskar.

                                “Conspiracy theorists, she knew, were paranoid by definition, and usually with good reason - they were indeed being watched, largely because they were standing on an upturned bucket, haranguing the sheeple with their wingnut delusions.” Mick Herron.

                                ”The most confused you will ever get is when you try to convince your heart and spirit of something your mind knows is a lie.” Shannon L. Alder.

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