Ripperologist 133: August 2013

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  • Phil H
    Superintendent
    • Jul 2010
    • 2362

    #121
    Personally, I had avoided discussion of those aspects of Simon's case.

    Too easy to mock.

    Phil

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    • Cogidubnus
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Feb 2012
      • 3266

      #122
      Hold on folks

      According to the site:



      In 1888 Fort Elsom was manned by the 4th Volunteer Battalion Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment.

      So what, you might say....

      However, according to the site:



      This particular unit was originally raised in...Lambeth...

      So were County Boundaries really so strictly observed as has been suggested...and could Stanley have not moved from his original address and yet retained membership in his old unit?

      All the best

      Dave

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      • Simon Wood
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 5551

        #123
        Hi Stephen,

        As there was no cinema newsreel, television or newspaper photography in 1888, why should anyone at the Chapman inquest have recognised Hughes-Hallett?

        Hi Cogidubnus,

        In 1888 Lambeth was part of Surrey. Hence the Surrey regiment. Lambeth became part of the County of London in 1889.

        Regards,

        Simon
        Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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        • Cogidubnus
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Feb 2012
          • 3266

          #124
          Hi Simon

          In 1888 Lambeth was part of Surrey. Hence the Surrey regiment. Lambeth became part of the County of London in 1889.
          So in 1889 were the Royal West Surrey volunteers immediately transferred to one of the County of London units? (If so, with what seniority?)...or did they remain with their original units?

          All the best

          Dave

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          • Simon Wood
            Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 5551

            #125
            Hi Cogidubnus,

            I have absolutely no idea.

            Maybe the regiment changed its name.

            It shouldn't be too hard to find out.

            Regards,

            Simon
            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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            • Cogidubnus
              Assistant Commissioner
              • Feb 2012
              • 3266

              #126
              Hi Simon

              It shouldn't be too hard to find out.
              Ok...so as regards Stanley shouldn't you go do thou likewise?

              All the best

              Dave

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              • Simon Wood
                Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 5551

                #127
                Hi Cogidubnus,

                What are you trying to get at?

                Regards,

                Simon
                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                • Scott Nelson
                  Superintendent
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 2401

                  #128
                  Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                  As there was no cinema newsreel, television or newspaper photography in 1888, why should anyone at the Chapman inquest have recognised Hughes-Hallett?
                  I suggested Wynne Baxter as a long-short. Anyone else, probably not. The only police officials who might recognize a Member of Parliment would be individuals like Charles Warren or Robert Anderson, neither of whom attended inquests.

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                  • Simon Wood
                    Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 5551

                    #129
                    Hi Scott,

                    H-H would have been easily recognised by parliamentary lobby correspondents from the heavy-hitting dailies, but as a rule these guys didn't tend to hang around East London inquests.

                    In fact, it's a safe bet to say that if the 1888 UK Cabinet had been placed in a Spitalfields line-up, few if any of the locals would have been able to identify them.

                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                    • Cogidubnus
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 3266

                      #130
                      Hi Cogidubnus,

                      What are you trying to get at?
                      Hello Simon

                      I'm suggesting that as it is by no means firmly determined that there is a 100% certainty of militia members being transferred between units as a result of legislative alterations, then it is certainly not firmly established that, in practise, they'd be similarly transferred as a result of their subsequent removals

                      All the best

                      Dave

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                      • Roy Corduroy
                        Chief Inspector
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1654

                        #131
                        Simon, you already know that an Edward Stanley can't be found in the relevant military records existing, or that such a record does not exist, because you have a top notch researcher in the UK you work with. Can't recall her name right off the bat, but you have sung her praises before.

                        Roy
                        Last edited by Roy Corduroy; 08-23-2013, 11:16 PM.
                        Sink the Bismark

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                        • Simon Wood
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 5551

                          #132
                          Hi Cogidubnus,

                          Are you suggesting that "Edward Stanley" was still serving with a Hampshire militia brigade despite being too old and also having lived most of the previous 12 years in a Spitalfields lodging house?

                          Regards,

                          Simon
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • Cogidubnus
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 3266

                            #133
                            Hi Simon

                            I'm suggesting, (no stronger), that he may have been...your admitted ignorance of the practical effects of the 1889 administrative legislation may well support this view

                            All the best

                            Dave

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                            • Simon Wood
                              Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 5551

                              #134
                              Hi Cogidubnus,

                              To which 1889 administrative legislation are you referring?

                              Regards,

                              Simon
                              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                              • Cogidubnus
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 3266

                                #135
                                That which you yourself referred to in post 123

                                All the best

                                Dave

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