Ripperologist 129: December 2012

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  • robhouse
    Inspector
    • Feb 2008
    • 1222

    #61
    Hi Lynn,
    I was just asking an honest question. What sources? I am just curious.

    Rob

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #62
      mannerisms

      Hello Stephen. Thanks.

      Frequently, their mannerisms gave them away.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #63
        sources

        Hello Rob. Thanks.

        I take it you have Alex Butterworth and Bernard Porter? Another good one is Ben Fischer. There is a lovely photograph of a mouchard in one of them. Also, I've read a few scholarly papers.

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • robhouse
          Inspector
          • Feb 2008
          • 1222

          #64
          Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
          Hello Rob. Thanks.

          I take it you have Alex Butterworth and Bernard Porter? Another good one is Ben Fischer. There is a lovely photograph of a mouchard in one of them. Also, I've read a few scholarly papers.

          Cheers.
          LC
          I don't actually have those Lynn. I am not particularly interested in Special Branch... I have only read Clutterbuck's essay. But I got the impression from that that SB mainly worked with informants and monitored the press. I am probably misremembering.

          RH

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #65
            good memory

            Hello Rob. Thanks.

            I don't think you are misremembering. Most intelligence gatherers do what you suggest and also what I have suggested. Without informants their work is impossible.

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • Captain Hook
              Casebook Supporter
              • Apr 2008
              • 114

              #66
              Mouchard

              Hello Lynn,

              I'm curious about a reference in a recent post of yours. You mention "a lovely photograph of a mouchard" in a book dealing with the secret police. As a rule, the French word "mouchard" means informer. Is this the sense given to the word in your book?

              Cheers
              Eduardo
              Last edited by Captain Hook; 12-27-2012, 12:22 PM. Reason: Typo
              Asante Mungu leo ni Ijumaa.
              Old Swahili Proverb

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              • robhouse
                Inspector
                • Feb 2008
                • 1222

                #67
                I am a bit surprised that there is no discussion of Mr. Fido's article.

                RH

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                • lynn cates
                  Commisioner
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13841

                  #68
                  mouchard shadowing

                  Hello Eduardo. Thanks.

                  Yes, roughly that is the meaning. The sketch is of a lady pausing by a Russian dissident and, whilst he is occupied, she sneaks a look at his effects. It is in Porter's book, next the photograph of the policeman disguised as a Beefeater and above the sketch of PJP Tynan being pinched.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #69
                    must read

                    Hello Rob. I thought there had been a discussion of the Fido piece. I consider it a must read.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • robhouse
                      Inspector
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1222

                      #70
                      Hi Lynn,

                      Why do you think it a must read? Are there any particular points you think are important to discuss?

                      RH

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #71
                        horse's mouth

                        Hello Rob. Thanks. I believe that this was the first time I had heard him explain why he initially thought Kosminski such a weak suspect.

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • robhouse
                          Inspector
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1222

                          #72
                          Martin stated as much in his book, did he not?

                          RH

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                          • lynn cates
                            Commisioner
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 13841

                            #73
                            book

                            Hello Rob. Thanks. Statement in "Rip" looked stronger. And although I consider many ripper books a must read, an article is less expensive and more easily accessible.

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • robhouse
                              Inspector
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1222

                              #74
                              Well, I still haven't seen much if any real discussion of Martin's piece. I have seen a few people say it's a good article, but I am not sure why.

                              Most of the ideas he presents are, in my opinion, pretty uninspired and insupportable. For example, I do not really understand why, all of a sudden, he seems to think Kozminski may have killed Stride, but not the others. It has been known for years that Kozminski lived in that neighborhood. Why all of a sudden does he think Kozminski killed Stide? And Stride only?

                              His position is that Kozminski couldn't have been the Ripper, largely because of what it says in his asylum record, and he claims that Paul Begg agreed with him on this point... although Paul Begg has stated recently he disagrees with this. As he now seems to concede that Kozminski may have killed Stride, is the logical next step to dismiss Stride as a Ripper victim? Seems to me the more obvious next step would be to think is strengthens Kozminski as a potential Ripper suspect. But this is too simple... clearly people are too stubborn and prejudiced against Kozminski as a Ripper suspect to come to such a conclusion.

                              RH

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                              • S.Brett
                                Detective
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 411

                                #75
                                Hello Rob!

                                What do you think about the David Cohen story?
                                Is it important?
                                Is there a link between Aaron Davis Cohen and Aaron Kozminski?

                                Were Aaron Davis Cohen and Aaron Kozminski one and the same person?

                                Is it possible that the police confused David Cohen with Aaron Davis Cohen (Kozminski) at least for a few hours?

                                Greetings S. Brett.

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