Little Book of Jack the Ripper

[Rob Clack]

Why write a book that claims there is no evidence that a serial killer existed in Whitechapel in the Fall of 88 Rob, the only people who read this kind of material already believe that there was!

But that's your opinion. So we must accept your opinion? A bit arrogant that.

And your comment was rude considering that I might have been a candidate for purchase of the book. But I suppose most Ripper authors don't do it for the money, they write about it because they want to be heard from. Because they believe they have the "take" on the facts that sets them apart from the plethora of Ripper authors. Not the evidence mind you,...their "take", their "story".

Well for starters I didn't get paid, I did this for nothing. And yes, if I write something it's because I want to be heard and because I think I have something to say. Just because people have a different opinion to yours they should keep quiet?

Every time a Ripper book is published with an assumed kill number our study is diminished, and no-one writes the actual truth....that there is zero evidence that Jack the Ripper existed or that he killed five, or more, women. No-one, including me, wants to be the one that comes out and tries to sell that idea to a publisher, not when everyone and their brother seems to prefer the assumptive approach anyway. But I do realize that many fledgling students start here, so I prefer to act as a Devils Advocate for them, so they don't start with a belief that isn't founded in the evidence.

No, our study is not diminished. Individual authors have there own opinion and they are entitled to it. Again it is very arrogant of you to presume everyone should agree with you.

If I ever did write one one day, it will be titled something like "Jack the Ripper Crimes; A Century of Assumptions."

Try 'The Killer who never was' oh somebody already did that book 20 years ago, surprised you haven't heard of it.

I don't pretend to imagine that youd read it, or many of the more "experienced" members here, but some people who haven't already swallowed the dogma whole might.

I might surprise you and read it.

Your a decent guy Rob, Ive known you from here for some time now. No offense to you personally. Its about the fictional premise, not the preachers as far as Im concerned.

cheers

Very arrogant and now rude. Nothing I wrote was fiction, so if you could have a read of it and then come back with an apology I would be grateful.

Rob

[Lechmere]

Oh dear.
Is this the start of another bad tempered thread about a book published in what will be known as the Autumn of Terror 2014.

[Magpie]

i hereby invoke the Wombat of Peace

[Michael W Richards]

Rob,

im surprised that it was the compliments that were upsetting to you, I envisioned a peace offering when I wrote that. So perhaps context was misread? In any event no offense was intended..as stated. I meant to express that, as Ive said ad infinitum here, it is not a case of five linked murders, it is 5 unsolved murder cases that to-date have no evidentiary link to each other other than the time period, the methodology, and the fact that they were all women. 5 among 11 such unsolved murders isn't it?

To your points;

1.But that's your opinion. So we must accept your opinion? A bit arrogant that

Rob, my point is not invalid,...there is no evidence that has been brought to public view that verifies a serial killer worked in Whitechapel in 1888, and none to link any of the 11 unsolved cases to any individual. That is not my opinion...its historical fact.

2. Well for starters I didn't get paid, I did this for nothing. And yes, if I write something it's because I want to be heard and because I think I have something to say. Just because people have a different opinion to yours they should keep quiet?

No, that's not what Ive ever said, and Im not surprised you didn't accept payment, as I said earlier, I believe you to be a decent fellow. What I am saying is that the TRUTH, the bigger than any dispute we may have TRUTH, is that there has been no evidence discovered that verifies that Jack the Ripper was anything more than a nomme de plume.

3. No, our study is not diminished. Individual authors have there own opinion and they are entitled to it. Again it is very arrogant of you to presume everyone should agree with you.

But if the author begins his discussion with "Lets review the Ripper murders", then the discussion is really nothing more than a conclusion before the evidence is available. Even the unbiased authors at some point or another seem to take a side on a point that is, like the overall premise, unproven. Authors are people, people have their own ideas. I agree with that.

4. Try 'The Killer who never was' oh somebody already did that book 20 years ago, surprised you haven't heard of it.

To be honest I have a pretty decent library of books and artifacts related to this study and I might very well have read it, or own it. Ill check.

5. I might surprise you and read it.

Touche, perhaps that's just the spur on that I needed,...lol. The real surprise would be if someone published it.


Rob

Im not slagging you or anyone else for expressing your views for others to consider, and I believe that these cases will never be solved by only one person. To take a step on a road that has been paved by many respectable and intelligent historians, researchers and writers is a very secure start. But I believe we need to objectively review what actually exists to see if we can really substantiate this long standing premise, and collectively share ideas on where this study should go from here.

So you understand why I am vehement on this status issue, Open or Closed, these cases are pretty much wide open...there are lots of possibilities still essentially unexplored.

What if some of the mind power available through this collection of experts and investigators gathered in Ripperology were to direct their efforts in areas that are not founded on or pre-suppose a serial killer? What if we admit that Mary Jane Kelly was likely not a real person and the woman in that bed may have had secrets that lead to her death..or romantic entanglements? What if we use only the physical evidence to eliminate Liz Stride from the Canonical Group...thereby opening up discussions as to why she might have been killed? What if we consider that the almost identical methods and actions taken by Pollys and Annie killer, under those circumstances, were likely the work of one man? Maybe 3 killers in all, maybe more.

The contemporary investigators felt inclined to offer opinions on whom they believed were killed by one man, that's unfortunate. But it isn't exactly empirical evidence is it?

Best regards Rob,

[Tom_Wescott]

Rob,

Mike doesn't own or read Ripper books. He's not even aware you've published one.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Rob Clack]

Or anyone else's book of note Tom


Michael I suggest you start your own thread and explain your theories there. I wouldn't want this thread to become clogged up with your silly ideas.

Rob

[PaulB]

It's interesting that there should be another Little Book of Jack the Ripper being published this month written by Mevin Harris.

[tji]

Every time a Ripper book is published with an assumed kill number our study is diminished

,

I disagree with this. Any idea put forward from the insane to the mundane has it's merit's. Ruling out a theory is just as good as confirming one.

I also think it is very generous of Rob and the other author's to take time out and write this free of charge for the people new to Jtr.

As for the wombat Magpie, I will take it, you can keep the peace I just want the wombat

Tracy

[GUT]

G'day Tracey

As for the wombat Magpie, I will take it, you can keep the peace I just want the wombat

But have you ever been attacked by one?

They can be stroppy buggers.

[tji]

Hey GUT

No I think I can say luckily I haven't lol.

Are they a little Meerkats, everyone thinks they are so cute but they make horrible pets.

I guess it must be hard work looking cute though, constantly having to have cuddles etc.......I wouldn't know........I just imagine.........

Tracy

[GUT]

Hey GUT

No I think I can say luckily I haven't lol.

Are they a little Meerkats, everyone thinks they are so cute but they make horrible pets.

I guess it must be hard work looking cute though, constantly having to have cuddles etc.......I wouldn't know........I just imagine.........

Tracy

G'day Tracy [Sorry I think I put an "e" in last time]

Have you ever seen a full grown wombat [not sure where you're at].

But they're really not that cute, quite large and can be aggressive, though they spend a lot of time sleeping. They can also move surprisingly fast over a short distance.

[Rob Clack]

It's interesting that there should be another Little Book of Jack the Ripper being published this month written by Mevin Harris.

Hi Paul,

I've noticed that. A bit strange, and there is also an edition with a dvd of The Definitive Story for about the same price so I ordered that edition. Just have to wait and see what it is.

Rob

[tji]

Hi Gut

G'day Tracy [Sorry I think I put an "e" in last time]

No worries, happens all the time, I don't take offense :0)

Have you ever seen a full grown wombat [not sure where you're at].

Only on t.v, I am in the UK.

The closest I get to something that spends a lot of time sleeping, aggressive when woken up and move surprisingly fast for a short distance is my son when his tea is done

Tracy

[GUT]

G'day Tracy

The closest I get to something that spends a lot of time sleeping, aggressive when woken up and move surprisingly fast for a short distance is my son when his tea is done

The bride says similar about me.

A wombat can grow to about 4 foot long and close to 100 pounds. And are all muscle, they dig a burrow into the ground and have really sharp claws and as they eat roots and leaves have sharp front teeth, when angry they can be vicious.

[tji]

Hi GUT

The bride says similar about me.

A wombat can grow to about 4 foot long and close to 100 pounds. And are all muscle, they dig a burrow into the ground and have really sharp claws and as they eat roots and leaves have sharp front teeth, when angry they can be vicious.

So definitely a case of cooing over a baby but leave the bigger ones alone!

Tracy