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  • Lewis C
    Inspector
    • Dec 2022
    • 1209

    #16
    Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post

    Thank you. I think that is astonishing to be honest. I mean in the same breath these people claim Cross' wife was not buried next to him because she knew he was a serial killer however they then claim none of his family knew he was involved. Which is it? Can't be both. Would his family not be able to realise if he went by the name Cross and his kids were called Lechmere that erm they were one in the same person? His family knowing or not know he was or was not involved is of no consequence and amazingly enough they would not be doing any arresting or hanging him for murder, the police would and they knew he was involved and they knew what he looked like.
    Can you imagine Abberline rocking up to 22 Doveton Street, knocking on the door with Charles answering saying 'We are here to arrest Charles Cross on suspicion of murder.' 'Oh sorry I'm Charles Lechmere, I know we look identical and live in the same house but it's not me.' 'Ah okay Mr Lechmere sorry to trouble you.' I mean what are those folk smoking? Have they been to Herlock Sholmes's Hawkwind gigs?
    Yes, his wife would have known that his stepfather was named Cross, and Charles sometimes went by the name of Cross. The commenter said that the police never learned that his name was Lechmere, but I don't think that we have any way of knowing that. We don't know if his children or grandchildren knew that he found Nichols' body. I think that he's assuming that they didn't know because his great great grandchildren didn't know, which is assuming a lot.

    He mentioned that only one paper gave his address, but didn't mention how many papers said that he worked for Pickford's.

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    • Geddy2112
      Inspector
      • Dec 2015
      • 1399

      #17
      Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
      To call Cross a suspect is pretty much a joke.

      “He was there, he was there, he was there!”
      You would not believe what Christer has posted in the comments section of this video. It's that bad I'm putting it up higher on the silly scale than the wearing of the apron at the inquest is a sign of guilt.
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      • Geddy2112
        Inspector
        • Dec 2015
        • 1399

        #18
        Originally posted by Lewis C View Post

        Yes, his wife would have known that his stepfather was named Cross, and Charles sometimes went by the name of Cross. The commenter said that the police never learned that his name was Lechmere, but I don't think that we have any way of knowing that. We don't know if his children or grandchildren knew that he found Nichols' body. I think that he's assuming that they didn't know because his great great grandchildren didn't know, which is assuming a lot.
        Well we do certainly know of one great great grandchild who knows about his involvement and that is Ed's missus. However we certainly have not seen any evidence any others know or do not know. We are just instructed they do not know. Which again is hardly a sign of guilt and that is the bigger picture here.

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        • Duran duren
          Constable
          • Apr 2024
          • 74

          #19
          Bought, thanks Geddy, and I loved the interview with you and Richard!
          " Still it is an error to argue in front of your data. You find yourself insensibly twisting them round to fit your theories."
          Sherlock Holmes
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          • Geddy2112
            Inspector
            • Dec 2015
            • 1399

            #20
            Originally posted by Duran duren View Post
            Bought, thanks Geddy, and I loved the interview with you and Richard!
            Many thanks, much appreciated.
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            • Barnaby
              Sergeant
              • Feb 2008
              • 773

              #21
              Congratulations. I loved the interview. I do have a comment about Cross wearing his Pickford uniform to the inquest. If he really was both Jack and the torso murderer as some have claimed, and killed on his way to work, surely the uniform would be speckled with blood and wouldn't the Observer have noticed? It would be quite the flex for him to show up at the inquest in the clothes that he committed the murder.
              Last edited by Barnaby; Today, 01:58 AM.

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              • Geddy2112
                Inspector
                • Dec 2015
                • 1399

                #22
                Originally posted by Barnaby View Post
                Congratulations. I loved the interview. I do have a comment about Cross wearing his Pickford uniform to the inquest. If he really was both Jack and the torso murderer as some have claimed, and killed on his way to work, surely the uniform would be speckled with blood and wouldn't the Observer have noticed? It would be quite the flex for him to show up at the inquest in the clothes that he committed the murder.
                Many thanks. Yes the getting 'routinely covered in blood' during work would serve as no consequence to hide something he had done prior to work. Plus we know he was not covered in blood after Polly. He was more than likely at work for Annie, Liz and Catherine on his day off so no work activity there and then of course we do not really know when poor Mary met her fate. So even if he did get covered in blood every day at work it does not really seem to have mattered.
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                • The Rookie Detective
                  Chief Inspector
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 1992

                  #23
                  Excellent interview Ian, and congratulations with the book.
                  It's nice to finally put a face to the name.

                  Fabulous work.
                  "Great minds, don't think alike"

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                  • Fiver
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Oct 2019
                    • 3377

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Barnaby View Post
                    Congratulations. I loved the interview. I do have a comment about Cross wearing his Pickford uniform to the inquest. If he really was both Jack and the torso murderer as some have claimed, and killed on his way to work, surely the uniform would be speckled with blood and wouldn't the Observer have noticed? It would be quite the flex for him to show up at the inquest in the clothes that he committed the murder.
                    This is one of the major stumbling blocks of the Cross theory. He was a delivery driver, not a slaughterman, and even a slaughterman would have no explanation for arriving at work with fresh bloodstains on his hands or clothing.
                    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                    • Herlock Sholmes
                      Commissioner
                      • May 2017
                      • 22819

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                      This is one of the major stumbling blocks of the Cross theory. He was a delivery driver, not a slaughterman, and even a slaughterman would have no explanation for arriving at work with fresh bloodstains on his hands or clothing.
                      On his way to work Cross saw a man being attacked by a rogue badger. He bravely leapt in to wrestle the vicious brute away saving the grateful man’s life. Naturally he got his blood on his hands in the process. My apologies if a Cross supporter has already suggested it.
                      Herlock Sholmes

                      ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                      • Geddy2112
                        Inspector
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 1399

                        #26
                        I think it's been pointed out previously, just because someone finds a wallet in the street does not mean they stole it.
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