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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    thanks herlock
    the book is one of the best on a sk case and as for crazy unsolved sk cases, its my number three after the ripper and zodiac.
    bizarro and fascinating.
    Worth waiting for Abby

    https://variety.com/2021/tv/global/a...235006606/amp/

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Ok, I have to give a major to Abby Normal for recommending the book I just finished. It’s called The Monster Of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi.

    This is an amazing story about the investigation of a series of murders of couples in cars. Shades of the Zodiac you might think but the main difference was that the women were mutilated too. Spezi is a journalist who pretty much became obsessed with the case. This book has it all. A strange cast of suspects and witnesses, a barking mad conspiracy theorist who a lead investigator treated like an Oracle, corruption in law enforcement high office and a public that preferred to believe in Satanic cults than the idea of a single serial killer. Spezi was even wrongly imprisoned for being ‘connected’ to the Murders when in actual fact he imprisoned for exposing corruption and chronic incompetence.

    This is a brilliant 10 out of 10 book for me. I don’t know if there was an earlier version but the cover says ‘includes explosive new material?’ This new material concerns the Giuliano Mignini who was, and I believe still is, Public Prosecutor in Perugia at the time. How can this man still be in office? He was the guy who subsequently tried to fit up Amanda Knox.

    An absolute cracker. Cheers Abby.
    thanks herlock
    the book is one of the best on a sk case and as for crazy unsolved sk cases, its my number three after the ripper and zodiac.
    bizarro and fascinating.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Ok, I have to give a major to Abby Normal for recommending the book I just finished. It’s called The Monster Of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi.

    This is an amazing story about the investigation of a series of murders of couples in cars. Shades of the Zodiac you might think but the main difference was that the women were mutilated too. Spezi is a journalist who pretty much became obsessed with the case. This book has it all. A strange cast of suspects and witnesses, a barking mad conspiracy theorist who a lead investigator treated like an Oracle, corruption in law enforcement high office and a public that preferred to believe in Satanic cults than the idea of a single serial killer. Spezi was even wrongly imprisoned for being ‘connected’ to the Murders when in actual fact he imprisoned for exposing corruption and chronic incompetence.

    This is a brilliant 10 out of 10 book for me. I don’t know if there was an earlier version but the cover says ‘includes explosive new material?’ This new material concerns the Giuliano Mignini who was, and I believe still is, Public Prosecutor in Perugia at the time. How can this man still be in office? He was the guy who subsequently tried to fit up Amanda Knox.

    An absolute cracker. Cheers Abby.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    I can recommend the book Terror Of The Axeman: Britain’s Forgotten Serial Killer by John Lucas. This is a cracker IMO. It’s about Patrick Mackay, surely one of the most dangerous men ever. It’s unknown how many he actually killed but reading this I’d guess that it’s well into double figures despite only being tagged with three. He was also known as The Monster Of Belgravia and tended to kill older people, mostly women. Robbery was often involved but very little was taken. After he’d brutally murdered one old lady he just sat down in the armchair and dropped off to sleep.

    Well worth a read. His crimes were in the 70’s but he’s still alive and in his late 60’s. Unbelievably he’s recently been considered suitably for an open prison which is the last step before release although he’s unlikely ever to actually be released.

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  • Ms Diddles
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    [QUOTE=Abby Normal;n759367]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    according to some in the know, the police are onto someone based on the dna.
    Hmmmmmm! Interesting, Abby!

    Is this connected to what someone (Erobitha?) posted on the other thread about a website being instructed to shut down a thread relating to a particular suspect (McDuff)?

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=Abby Normal;n759367]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    according to some in the know, the police are onto someone based on the dna.
    We’ve had The Golden State Killer but I’d say that the Zodiac is the biggie. I wonder

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  • Abby Normal
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n759366]
    Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

    That’s anything but ignorance. It’s sensible as there are so many unknowns and so many that are likely to remain unknown. I think it’s best to take a cautious approach. Some prefer though to read complex plots into every error or to state opinions as facts. Then they burst into flames when you disagree.
    according to some in the know, the police are onto someone based on the dna.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=Ms Diddles;n759364]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Definitely not Ms D. I know way too little about the case and especially about the suspects. Like the JFK assassination there are lots of real Zodiac experts out there and it’s a massive subject but so far I haven’t allowed myself to be drawn in. I’m tempted though but I don’t know if my brain can cope with the ripper, the Wallace case, other subjects for reading and the Zodiac When I got interested in the JFK a few years ago I found myself getting sucked in for around a year before I decided that enough was enough. Some things can take up far too much of your life so I’m wary. That said, I’m still considering getting another book and dipping my toe further in.

    Arthur Leigh Allan seemed to tick most of the boxes and appeared to be an interesting suspect but DNA appears to discount him but glancing through zodiackiller.com it appears that some still favour him or at least consider him still a suspect. I recall reading something about Kane a while ago and he certainly seemed of interest too.

    Fair point, Herlock!

    It's easy to get sucked into some of these intriguing cases, but advisable to remain rooted firmly in the realities of the 21st century!

    When it comes to the Ripper, I remain extremely circumspect.

    I kind of sit back reading, listening, absorbing information and contemplating things, in the hope that one day more evidence will come to light and all of the pieces of the puzzle will fall into place.

    In relation to other cases (about which I know nothing!) I'm happy to go blabbing on about whichever suspect tickles my fancy though, probably precisely because of my relative ignorance in these matters!
    That’s anything but ignorance. It’s sensible as there are so many unknowns and so many that are likely to remain unknown. I think it’s best to take a cautious approach. Some prefer though to read complex plots into every error or to state opinions as facts. Then they burst into flames when you disagree.

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  • Ms Diddles
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n759363]

    Definitely not Ms D. I know way too little about the case and especially about the suspects. Like the JFK assassination there are lots of real Zodiac experts out there and it’s a massive subject but so far I haven’t allowed myself to be drawn in. I’m tempted though but I don’t know if my brain can cope with the ripper, the Wallace case, other subjects for reading and the Zodiac When I got interested in the JFK a few years ago I found myself getting sucked in for around a year before I decided that enough was enough. Some things can take up far too much of your life so I’m wary. That said, I’m still considering getting another book and dipping my toe further in.

    Arthur Leigh Allan seemed to tick most of the boxes and appeared to be an interesting suspect but DNA appears to discount him but glancing through zodiackiller.com it appears that some still favour him or at least consider him still a suspect. I recall reading something about Kane a while ago and he certainly seemed of interest too.

    Fair point, Herlock!

    It's easy to get sucked into some of these intriguing cases, but advisable to remain rooted firmly in the realities of the 21st century!

    When it comes to the Ripper, I remain extremely circumspect.

    I kind of sit back reading, listening, absorbing information and contemplating things, in the hope that one day more evidence will come to light and all of the pieces of the puzzle will fall into place.

    In relation to other cases (about which I know nothing!) I'm happy to go blabbing on about whichever suspect tickles my fancy though, probably precisely because of my relative ignorance in these matters!

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

    Just out of interest, do you have a preferred suspect for Zodiac, Herlock?

    After some extensive research (ie reading Grayling as recommended by Abby, and the first Hewitt book as recommended by Barn, then watching a documentary on YouTube!!!!! ) I plumped for Kane.
    Definitely not Ms D. I know way too little about the case and especially about the suspects. Like the JFK assassination there are lots of real Zodiac experts out there and it’s a massive subject but so far I haven’t allowed myself to be drawn in. I’m tempted though but I don’t know if my brain can cope with the ripper, the Wallace case, other subjects for reading and the Zodiac When I got interested in the JFK a few years ago I found myself getting sucked in for around a year before I decided that enough was enough. Some things can take up far too much of your life so I’m wary. That said, I’m still considering getting another book and dipping my toe further in.

    Arthur Leigh Allan seemed to tick most of the boxes and appeared to be an interesting suspect but DNA appears to discount him but glancing through zodiackiller.com it appears that some still favour him or at least consider him still a suspect. I recall reading something about Kane a while ago and he certainly seemed of interest too.

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  • Ms Diddles
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    I might do that Ms D.
    Just out of interest, do you have a preferred suspect for Zodiac, Herlock?

    After some extensive research (ie reading Grayling as recommended by Abby, and the first Hewitt book as recommended by Barn, then watching a documentary on YouTube!!!!! ) I plumped for Kane.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

    I read the first Hewitt book (Hunted) following a recommendation on here from Barn.

    I thought it was really good.

    It was well written and covered all the salient points regarding the police investigation.

    If you want to add further to your ever growing pile of books to read, give it a go!
    I might do that Ms D.

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  • Ms Diddles
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Cheers Jon,

    I saw that one advertised before I went for the Cole books.
    I read the first Hewitt book (Hunted) following a recommendation on here from Barn.

    I thought it was really good.

    It was well written and covered all the salient points regarding the police investigation.

    If you want to add further to your ever growing pile of books to read, give it a go!

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by jmenges View Post
    If you’re still wanting more there’s another series of 3 books by Mark Hewitt: Hunted, Profiled and Exposed.
    The first book in the series, Hunted, is particularly good. I’m not giving away anything (since he promotes it on Amazon) that he eventually gets to his suspect in book 3, Ted Kaczynski aka The Unabomber. While there are striking coincidences, in the end I don’t believe that Ted was Zodiac.

    JM
    Cheers Jon,

    I saw that one advertised before I went for the Cole books.

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  • barnflatwyngarde
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Good points Jon. There’s very little background info on the victims or on the ongoing police investigation. It’s definitely not aimed at anyone with any real knowledge of the case but for someone that only has a very basic knowledge the case (me) it was useful. I don’t know if there’s anything else of this type on the subject but if there isn’t then there’s a huge gap in the market for a Sugden-type book on the case looking at all aspects including a weighing up of the suspects? I think it might have been better put into one volume though? As I said earlier I could definitely have done without the stuff on Radians and Cryptography although of course you couldn’t have a book on the Zodiac without mention of Cryptography. It was just too much for me and my brain kept switching off. Others would be ok with that kind of stuff of course.

    Id perhaps try and some up by saying that I could ‘imagine’ a better book. Someone needs to do a Sugden and write a ‘bible’ of the Zodiac case. Fancy the job Jon?
    Herlock, I totally agree with you that it is strange that such a "classic" case, and such a recent one, with presumably a plethora of evidence, has not yet generated a definitive book on the Zodiac case.

    I started a post on this very subject a while ago (link attached).

    https://forum.casebook.org/forum/soc...he-zodiac-case

    I do seem to remember that someone posted that they suggested to Paul Begg that he might be interested in writing a "definitive" book on the Zodiac.
    I hope he might reconsider, I'm sure he or Jon, or someone of that ilk, would do a great job.
    Last edited by barnflatwyngarde; 05-29-2021, 02:44 PM.

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