Let’s Talk About Plagiarism

[Debra A]

All this goes over my head. I have more in common with the female popular historians!

[MrBarnett]

You can do it, Scott, if you only wate a whil longer :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkOAUht3G5o

Scott,

Just don’t stand on a burning deck for too long.

[Robert]

You can do it, Scott, if you only wate a whil longer :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkOAUht3G5o

[MrBarnett]

I'm in the "etc, etc"...I need respect, I have been deemed worthy and I don't get into too much trouble.

I deliberately didn’t name those on the short list for a Lifetime Achievement Award.

[Scott Nelson]

I'm in the "etc, etc"...I need respect, I have been deemed worthy and I don't get into too much trouble.

[Debra A]

Who would be in that group? You, me, Trevor, Debs, Paul, Robert, David ‘Orsam’, ‘Pierre’, the Vincent van Gogh guy... etc, etc.

What makes Drew and Hallie stand out from that group?

That's true. Academics in the same field tend to have similar qualifications, experiences etc. Ours is not a 'field' it is a wide variety of people interested in the same subject finding the place that suits them best to discuss it. Some Ripperologists have shown that it is possible to get involved with academics and gain their respect. Those who seek it and are deemed worthy seem to get it without too much trouble.

[Monty]

I mentioned Drew Gray only because I was thinking of him and how he seems to envision a day when Ripper researcher’s work is respected, valued and taken seriously by those relevant disciplines outside of our field...while in reality there are those inside of our field, who’ve been around here for a long time, who don’t even respect them.
It could be that Drew’s delusional and I hope against hope. I’m beginning to think so.

JM

As you know Jon, I attended Drews talk. Some parts I agreed with, some parts not so sure, all of it thought provoking on a personal level.

I recall Stewart Evans raising the definition of experts in Ripperology. What is a expert in this subject?

I think the issue is standards, be it quality of research and the review of. In an age where anonymity of social media has shaped online behaviour to the more abusive, objective reviews (and the reactions to) soon descend into a slanging match of some magnitude.

im guilty of it, it’s easy to do. And it isn’t just an issue in Ripperology. The academic world is equally susceptible, along with many.

I think Drews vision is a bringing together of the outstanding knowledge held in our community with the analysis frameworks utilised in the academic world.


My take, for what it is worth.

Monty

[MrBarnett]

I mentioned Drew Gray only because I was thinking of him and how he seems to envision a day when Ripper researcher’s work is respected, valued and taken seriously by those relevant disciplines outside of our field...while in reality there are those inside of our field, who’ve been around here for a long time, who don’t even respect them.
It could be that Drew’s delusional and I hope against hope. I’m beginning to think so.

JM

I think Drew is delusional if he thinks he has evidence that James Hardiman was a knacker. And anyone who thinks there is an homogenous group that can be labelled ‘Ripperologists’ is even more deluded.

Who would be in that group? You, me, Trevor, Debs, Paul, Robert, David ‘Orsam’, ‘Pierre’, the Vincent van Gogh guy... etc, etc.

What makes Drew and Hallie stand out from that group?

[MrBarnett]

I think you hoped I was talking about Drew.

Deep thought.

[Monty]

I think you hoped I was talking about Drew.

[Monty]

Ah, so we’re talking ‘experts’ rather than experts. Your irony wasn’t clear in the original post. I thought you might have been talking about Drew Gray, who for some reason has been inserted into this thread.

I was referring to ‘experts’ as defined by the la H Division Crime Club.

[jmenges]

I mentioned Drew Gray only because I was thinking of him and how he seems to envision a day when Ripper researcher’s work is respected, valued and taken seriously by those relevant disciplines outside of our field...while in reality there are those inside of our field, who’ve been around here for a long time, who don’t even respect them.
It could be that Drew’s delusional and I hope against hope. I’m beginning to think so.

JM

[MrBarnett]

Not as much as a pity when one of these ‘experts’ pass off the hard work of others as their own, overshadows the solid work of others whilst pissing it up and treating both the plagiarised and fellow contributor with contempt.

Ah, so we’re talking ‘experts’ rather than experts. Your irony wasn’t clear in the original post. I thought you might have been talking about Drew Gray, who for some reason has been inserted into this thread.

[Monty]

Yes, it’s a pity when such experts are subjected to censorship.

Not as much as a pity when one of these ‘experts’ pass off the hard work of others as their own, overshadows the solid work of others whilst pissing it up and treating both the plagiarised and fellow contributor with contempt.

[MrBarnett]

To quote the blurb of the part plagiarised works

”The authors of this book are all members of [now defunct I believe] H Division Crime Club, the world's largest body of experts on the Jack the Ripper murders.”

So Keith Stride for a start.

Yes, it’s a pity when such experts are subjected to censorship.