Jack the Ripper and Black Magic: Victorian Conspiracy Theories, Secret Societies and

[mklhawley]

Yes.

Though he stalks the Whitechapel streets through the night.
His daylight disguise is to hide in plain sight.

Regards, Jon S.

...and maybe even enjoying a fourth showing of Mansfield's Jekyll and Hyde at the Lyceum Theatre! Even if it was mere coincidence, how interesting that this was the show playing.

Sincerely,
Mike

[lynn cates]

Tynan

Hello All. For those who wish more information on PJP Tynan, here is a link to a digitised version of his book, "The Irish National Invincibles and their Times."

http://www.archive.org/stream/irishnationalinv00tyna#page/n11/mode/2up

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

I see that Tom Slemen has now re-released his book as a kindle e-book entitled 'Jack The Ripper-Secret Service'.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[auspirograph]

I see that Tom Slemen has now re-released his book as a kindle e-book entitled 'Jack The Ripper-Secret Service'.

Tom,

You appear a little confused. Your last post is on the wrong thread.

[Tom_Wescott]

No it's not. Your chapter of much discussion is 'Whitechapel Secret Service', which in an earlier post I suggested would make a good book if expanded, and I also commented that I like the title. I suspect Slemen did too.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[auspirograph]

No it's not. Your chapter of much discussion is 'Whitechapel Secret Service', which in an earlier post I suggested would make a good book if expanded, and I also commented that I like the title. I suspect Slemen did too.

Tom (Slemen) Wescott,

I appreciate that, though Slemen is tolerated as a crank and a mate of Chris George's, you may want to promote his wares. But there is already a thread for that.

It is pointless discussing anything with you when you rely on shoddy references.

[Tom_Wescott]

This will be my last post on this thread, and I will now not be writing my planned review of your book. I will remain silent on the matter. I have been very clear in everything I've said, and I pointed out that I only posted what I did about Slemen because the new title of his book is very similar to your Chapter 7 title. You're clearly not familiar with what I had to say about Slemen's book when it was first published in print, or you would not accuse me of using your thread to promote his work. I was not aware that he's a friend of Chris George, nor do I see how that is significant. I do not appreciate being called Tom (Slemen) Wescott. You are extraordinarily paranoid, Spiro, and this has caused you to alienate a great many people and I don't even want to guess at the impact your behavior has had and will have on your book sales, but I'm certain it's significant.

Nobody will be posting on this thread now, Spiro, or at least not nice things. It will die and go away.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[auspirograph]

No worries Tom, I hope you are feeling better soon.

[auspirograph]

PJP Tynan

Hello All. For those who wish more information on PJP Tynan, here is a link to a digitised version of his book, "The Irish National Invincibles and their Times."

http://www.archive.org/stream/irishnationalinv00tyna#page/n11/mode/2up

Cheers.
LC

Thanks for this link Lynn, of course this is the modified English edition after the US version had emerged.

There are considerable primary sources on Tynan located at the UK National Archives if anyone cares to check, but caution is advised as Tynan was also suspected, as was McDermott, of dual loyalties.

If anyone is wondering why this is at all relevant to Jack the Ripper and the Whitechapel murders it is because of documented Scotland Yard active investigation in this direction, despite the beliefs or agendas of some.

The active investigation on the East End mutilation murders of 1888, contrary to fantasy inspired by modern forensics, were not internally considered as sexual serial killings. They were regarded as terrorist acts during a distinctly Victorian political episode.

We now have sources and evidence that indicates this was the reality of the Whitechapel murders and why the killer managed to escape, elude police and locals silently and swiftly committing the crimes.

These further documentary sources were under the administrative control of Anderson, Littlechild, Macnaghten, Swanson, the Home Secretary and Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, James Monro.

Lynn,

I have a copy of an addendum inserted into the US edition of Tynan's book that makes for interesting reading and I'll transcribe it here:

ADDENDUM

As the English edition is passing through the press, the following additions are being made to the American text:-

"The proclamation of the I.R.B. (see p. 272), we have since learned, was not issued by the official executive of the I.R.B., but by some of the officers who were in sympathy with the INVINCIBLE action in Dublin."

"Since this (see p. 440) was written one of these gentlemen has had the courage of his convictions. In the city of Troy, New York, during the American political campaign of 1888, an Irishman and a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin, addressing a political meeting, openly avowed his sympathy with the Irish INVINCIBLE movement. He there publicly declared that not only had he been a member of that organisation, but that he was the purchaser of the irregular weapons of warfare used by the INVINCIBLES in the Phoenix Park, Dublin. Owing to the prevarication and timidity, if not moral cowardice, on the part of the leaders of the movement, this public announcement of his created a profound impression on his hearers."

[lynn cates]

Mrs. Byrne

Hello Spiro. Thanks for that.

I thought Mrs. Byrne smuggled the weapons that were used at Phoenix Park?

Cheers.
LC

[auspirograph]

Byrne did, under her skirt. She was the carrier but the purchase of the surgical knives were made by "No 1" in London.

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Dr. Hamilton Williams.

Wolf.

[auspirograph]

In the city of Troy, New York, during the American political campaign of 1888, an Irishman and a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin, addressing a political meeting, openly avowed his sympathy with the Irish INVINCIBLE movement. He there publicly declared that not only had he been a member of that organisation, but that he was the purchaser of the irregular weapons of warfare used by the INVINCIBLES in the Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Certainly Wolf, that's how the story goes. Perhaps you can also explain this addendum entry in the American edition of Tynan's, The Irish National Invincibles and their Times.

Thanks
Spiro

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Originally posted by auspirograph: In the city of Troy, New York, during the American political campaign of 1888, an Irishman and a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin, addressing a political meeting, openly avowed his sympathy with the Irish INVINCIBLE movement. He there publicly declared that not only had he been a member of that organisation, but that he was the purchaser of the irregular weapons of warfare used by the INVINCIBLES in the Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Certainly Wolf, that's how the story goes. Perhaps you can also explain this addendum entry in the American edition of Tynan's, The Irish National Invincibles and their Times.

I’m not sure exactly what you want explained to you. Dr. Hamilton Williams was an Irishman living in and around New York, a member of the Invincibles, the man who reportedly purchased the knives used in the Phoenix Park murders and was also a graduate of Trinity College. Presumably, therefore, Tynan was writing about Williams.

Wolf.

[curious]

The active investigation on the East End mutilation murders of 1888, contrary to fantasy inspired by modern forensics, were not internally considered as sexual serial killings. They were regarded as terrorist acts during a distinctly Victorian political episode.

Good Morning,
Interesting thread, and I would appreciate your thoughts on some matters -- if you have the time.

Would you please tell me from what point the killings were regarded as terrorist acts?

From the very beginning with Tabram?

Maybe during the period following Chapman when the people were so aroused?

After Mary Kelly?

Or was the view that the murders were terrorist acts the reason for Anderson's appointment? Since he was appointed in August before the series really started . . . Was he appointed because the government was virtually certain "a plot was afoot?" and they would be dealing with a major terrorist outbreak of some sort?

I would appreciate your assessment.

Thanks,

curious