Fame or Infamy ...

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

This is the thing, Sir Robert. When did it begin to dawn on him that it's not the happiest of places for anyone making false claims about people they very obviously have never met, and a diary and watch they have very obviously never seen?

I think it is a very complicated set of circumstances, as I do not believe Steve Powell is lying in the conventional sense. I don't pretend to understand the whole story of why he believes what he believes, or how he came upon these sets of memories. I have my hunches, but I'd prefer to focus on the music. And I agree that musical talent does not give one a pass to behave as one pleases, but as I said, I think we are dealing with complicated scenarios.

Off to Myanmar in the morning for eleven days so everyone behave themselves while I'm away.

[caz]

I think it was a long and complex process that brought Steve Powell to Ripper Land, which is not the happiest of places for many.

This is the thing, Sir Robert. When did it begin to dawn on him that it's not the happiest of places for anyone making false claims about people they very obviously have never met, and a diary and watch they have very obviously never seen?

He made it a long and complex process for himself, nobody else did that. My guess is that he read about Anne's stay in Australia, twenty years before the diary emerged, and fancied himself with his own starring role in the action. He may have wanted so much for Anne's path to have crossed his own that he ended up believing it, while adding colour to the basic story and changing it out of all recognition.

It's all very sad, but as you say he's not the first frustrated artist to press the self-destruct button. If he was only hurting himself in the process it wouldn't be so bad. But to accuse three named individuals of faking the diary and/or watch and faking their own deaths is the height of bad taste, regardless of what music he is playing in the background.

Love,

Caz
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[Phil Carter]

And the Easybeats ..
this is one of my favourites along with 'Friday on my Mind' ..

Hello Victoria,

Totally agree. This song is one of the best examples of pre-punk music ever. David Bowie did a version on his Pin-Ups album, making it slightly more "punk", showing the gradual development towards the punk sound, and the frenetic energy this tune brings out. The Easybeats were a class act, no doubt at all about that. It has been said that they influenced Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop, who in turn are a major stepping stone to punk rock (musically) as we know it from 1976 and 1977.

I think the strangest thing about this song by the Easybeats is to see them on stage in striped outfits, conforming to the dress code as near as they could, and yet breaking with the traditional "suits on stage" with the hippy-inspired colour. People who never grew up in the 60's and 70's missed something very special indeed. Beat music to Flower-Power to Heavy rock to Glam rock to Punk rock... The Easybeats had a bit of influence on most of all that. Great stuff!

best wishes

Phil

[Victoria]

Take a look at some of the folks sharing this publishing company; Steve was in some heady territory back in the day:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tabbl.../AlbPPicM.html

"Steve is IMHO a major talent, deserving of a break. I've called it "Gordon Lightfoot by way of Syd Barrett" but of course describing music is like trying to dance architecture as the old saying goes."


I agree also ... in my own humble opinion,
being biased, and unbiased ..

And the Easybeats ..
this is one of my favourites along with 'Friday on my Mind' and 'Women'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddn6gx7l0eI&feature=related

[Zodiac]

You might be. The Easybeats and AC/DC were no slouches.

Exhibit "A" M'Lud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8qU7...eature=related

And Exhibit "B" M'Lud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BYz...os=KW4teF0tdL8

Your Honour, the prosecution rests.

Best wishes,

Zodiac.

P.S. Joking aside for a moment, there is quite a bit of footage of The Easybeats on YouTube and I hope that you will enjoy it.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Just read the above link. Am I the only one thinking... "THIS IS SPINAL TAP" :

Zodiac.

You might be. The Easybeats and AC/DC were no slouches.

[Zodiac]

Take a look at some of the folks sharing this publishing company; Steve was in some heady territory back in the day:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tabbl.../AlbPPicM.html

Just read the above link. Am I the only one thinking... "THIS IS SPINAL TAP"

Zodiac.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

I agree that people should have the chance to be judged on what they do best - in the right place for it. But assuming music is where Powell's talent lies, what the hell was he doing messing with the diary story?

Oh Lord - where to start with the list of musicians that have failed to best follow their real talents or acted self-destructively ? And to be fair to Steve, he went deaf, which would certainly unhinge me as a music fanatic, let alone a musician.

I think it was a long and complex process that brought Steve Powell to Ripper Land, which is not the happiest of places for many. Hopefully something good will come of it all because I do sincerely believe the man deserves a break.

Take a look at some of the folks sharing this publishing company; Steve was in some heady territory back in the day:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tabbler/PicBk/AlbPPicM.html

[caz]

Under 40 sounds a bit low. More like under 50. Anyway, I'm a long way from the UK and saw all of the movies. Loved 'em. Although I wonder why people like Hattie Jacques and Kenneth Williams died so young. Maybe being very funny is bad for your health.

Hi GM,

I went to the same school as Hattie. Yes, the Carry-on Crew didn't do too well when it came to carrying on in real life, did they?

But I'm ever so grateful for every funny moment they all gave us.

Hard to pick an outright favourite, although "infamy" must come close.

And so apt around here - not just on this thread.

Hi Sir Robert,

I agree that people should have the chance to be judged on what they do best - in the right place for it. But assuming music is where Powell's talent lies, what the hell was he doing messing with the diary story? Talk about Carry On Up the Wrong Track.

Love,

Caz
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[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Hello Sir Robert,

it was good to hear such a nice comment in regard to Steves'
music .. thank you, on behalf of Steve.


It seems strange to me that people can find fault ..rightly or
wrongly with say this book, but have no charity about them to
even acknowledge the music .. which no-one could deny the talent
of, even if it was not particularly their type of music.

Steve is IMHO a major talent, deserving of a break. I've called it "Gordon Lightfoot by way of Syd Barrett" but of course describing music is like trying to dance architecture as the old saying goes.

But as far as the message boards are concerned, it is really to be expected that first and foremost the community is going to judge his Diary story, and how it evolved over time in front of everyone's eyes. Once making a decision there, it is not hard to understand why Ripperologists won't go the extra mile and look into his music. It's a shame, but understandable to my way of thinking. If the Casebook thread turns you off, odds are you aren't going to be ordering the CDs.....

Come to think of it, I can't think of any thread on Ripper boards that deals with music other than Magpie's on our Forums. I'll add a link for the CDs when I get a second.

[The Grave Maurice]

Under 40 sounds a bit low. More like under 50. Anyway, I'm a long way from the UK and saw all of the movies. Loved 'em. Although I wonder why people like Hattie Jacques and Kenneth Williams died so young. Maybe being very funny is bad for your health.

[Zodiac]

But I can't help wondering whether anyone outside the UK (or under the age of 40?) has a clue what we're talking about.

They don't know what they've missed!!!

Cleo. I has a poisonous Asp!

Mark Anthony. Oh I wouldn't say that!!!

Best wishes,

Zodiac.

[Chris]

exactly, Chris..

But I can't help wondering whether anyone outside the UK (or under the age of 40?) has a clue what we're talking about.

[Rubyretro]

http://tinyurl.com/2vs7g5n

exactly, Chris..

[Chris]

ah, yes.. " Infamy! Infamy ! They`ve all got it in fer me".

http://tinyurl.com/2vs7g5n