Jack and the Thames Torso Murders: A New Ripper?

[Elamarna]

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

Ah, not entirely true on either count.
He did not make himself a suspect at all, all he did was give a name at The inquest, which he was not baptised under, but which he had been officially and legally registered under at least once.
It is modern day researchers whom have promoted him to suspect, that is very simple and very clear. To suggest otherwise is simply to ignore the facts of how the argument for him has developed.

A very common suspect amount students of the case.?
Well yes if we count those who are new to the case or have only watched the misleading, but highly well made documentary.

If we want to say he is commonly spoken about that is true, but the vast majority do not consider him a top suspect at all, indeed many see him purely as a witness.
If we are going to look at those who seriously believe he may be the killer, i wonder if two hands are required to count.

Steve

[John Wheat]

Most of the other suspects have been exhausted to death. Lechmere, on the other hand, is a relatively new name. Lechmere admittedly has more legs than some of the other names put forward down the years, if only by dint of being in Buck's Row that morning. I still think there's a lot more work to be done before anyone could consider him a legitimate suspect. 'Person of interest' maybe. More to the point, one of the marks against Lechmere is the fact that the second murder occurred while the Nichols' inquest was still ongoing. That would point to someone who wasn't on the police radar, and Lechmere wasn't to know that the police weren't keeping tabs on his movements.

Frankly I think your overestimating Lechmere as a suspect.

[Harry D]

Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Most of the other suspects have been exhausted to death. Lechmere, on the other hand, is a relatively new name. Lechmere admittedly has more legs than some of the other names put forward down the years, if only by dint of being in Buck's Row that morning. I still think there's a lot more work to be done before anyone could consider him a legitimate suspect. 'Person of interest' maybe. More to the point, one of the marks against Lechmere is the fact that the second murder occurred while the Nichols' inquest was still ongoing. That would point to someone who wasn't on the police radar, and Lechmere wasn't to know that the police weren't keeping tabs on his movements.

[John Wheat]

Well, if we are going to set a standard that requires posters who know what they are talking about, I believe his foremost critic just left the debate. Happy days!

All you have is a crackpot theory.

[Abby Normal]

Abby,

I believe so, and I suspect there may be a few other victims thrown in for good measure.

Gary

Thanks gary

[Fisherman]

No you are wrong he's still a witness and a crap suspect by anyone who knows what there talking about.

Well, if we are going to set a standard that requires posters who know what they are talking about, I believe his foremost critic just left the debate. Happy days!

[MrBarnett]

Thanks El

so I take it Eds book will be that the torso murders and ripper murders were by the same man who is lech?

Abby,

I believe so, and I suspect there may be a few other victims thrown in for good measure.

Gary

[John Wheat]

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

No you are wrong he's still a witness and a crap suspect by anyone who knows what there talking about.

[Fisherman]

Yes but you've attempted to turn Lechmere into a suspect.

No, John - he did that by himself. And he not only attempted it, he succeeded to do so. Today, he is a very common suspect among students of the case. It seems your misgivings is something he has managed to steer past.

Goodnight.

[John Wheat]

I canīt even remember having tried to claim he was not a witness...? In fact, I have never seen anybody at all claim he was not. You may have gotten that wrong, John.

Yes but you've attempted to turn Lechmere into a suspect.

[Fisherman]

He was a witness. Nothing you've said changes that. You have no evidence whatsoever.

I canīt even remember having tried to claim he was not a witness...? In fact, I have never seen anybody at all claim he was not. You may have gotten that wrong, John.

[John Wheat]

Good thinking! Why wait to see how such a thing is built under? No, just decide that regardless of the evidence, it MUST be wrong if Lechmere is pointed out as the killer.

Itīs always nice to see an application of unbiased and clear thinking.

He was a witness. Nothing you've said changes that. You have no evidence whatsoever.

[Fisherman]

From a text by Drew Gray on Mary Kelly and the 130 years that have passed:

"A year after the murders seemed to have ceased although many researchers are far from convinced the killer had stopped with Kelly. My own research suggests he continued into the early 1890s only stopping when his own body succumbed to the disease that killed him."

Apparently, he has somebody else than Lechmere in mind!

[Fisherman]

I agree with Fisherman here.

I have issues with the candidature of Cross/Lechmere as the Whitechapel killer, but I also have in my head the old quote, "When the circumstances change I change my mind".

Let's wait and see what the book says, the evidence presented and the response to the many objections re Lechmere/ Cross as the killer, and then we can debate the issue fully.

Thanks for that. Iīd just like to point out that I do not know how smart a man Drew Gray is. Meaning that I am in no way sure that he favours Lechmere. If I have given the impression that I know, Iīd like to establish that this is not so. I havenīt got the faintest, but it reads to me as if Gray will connect the series and present a suspect. But letīs wait and see!

[barnflatwyngarde]

I agree with Fisherman here.

I have issues with the candidature of Cross/Lechmere as the Whitechapel killer, but I also have in my head the old quote, "When the circumstances change I change my mind".

Let's wait and see what the book says, the evidence presented and the response to the many objections re Lechmere/ Cross as the killer, and then we can debate the issue fully.