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  • Originally posted by Lechmere View Post
    Andy MacNab also sent me this...

    Actually, if you’re posting comments then feel free to use the following: I have been constantly amazed by how certain contributors to Casebook are in a state of perpetual denial - in particular over the false name. Of course the evidence against Lechmere isn’t watertight - at this distance it would be astonishing if absolute proof came to light - but considering that all other suspects have so little going for them I am stunned that so many obviously intelligent people can look for problems with Lechmere rather than the glaringly obvious pointers to guilt. The most compelling argument is that of ALL the facts we know about Lechmere - not ONE raises a legitimate question mark over the man.

    As you know, in the programme we inevitably had to leave out a lot of evidence. the most obvious is that if Lechmere was the killer then he would have almost certainly been lying about the time he left for work. The contradictory times given in the show were too complex to cover in detail so we glossed over them - but not without good reason. Interestingly the police timings do seem to support each other - and contradict Robert Paul - however the most damning timings are between Lechmere and Paul. Whatever time they left - there is no way Paul was anywhere near to Lechmere at the apparent time of death - it almost defies logic that anyone else could have killed Nichols - whether at 3.40 or 3.45. In reality I believe he had far more time than we gave him - at least ten minutes more. We didn’t talk about the bizarre stopping of Paul which was incredibly suspect. We didn’t have time to mention the apron that could so obviously is directly on his route back to Doveton Street. As I said at our meeting I love your explanation for the “Jewes” writing. It makes total sense. We didn’t mention much more about how physically able carmen were - used to handling dray horses and loading and unloading - they were incredibly strong.

    My personal hunch is that Lechmere’s eldest daughter was his first victim (although not of murder obviously) and that is why she stayed under the protection her grandmother when he was forced to move. It would be typical if his wife was in denial - but his mother was too long in the tooth to ignore the signs and was intent on protecting her oldest grandaughter. I suspect the double murder happened directly after a failed attempt to get his daughter back. I also suspect that his other killings were opportunistic. He probably saw clients leaving the women and it triggered some kind of rage in him.

    I sincerely hope something new comes from this. At least one tweeter was claiming to be his great great grand daughter, we contacted quite a few of his living relatives but no doubt missed a fair few.
    He is delusional as well

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    • A cogent argument?

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      • Originally posted by Lechmere View Post
        gnote are you in the UK?
        How Brown in JTR Forums is getting a link that US viewers can view it on.
        No, Canada but i have a browser plugin that allows me to appear as coming from the UK. If i use the link without it i right away get a message stating it can't be viewed from my location. With it, i am asked to confirm if i am 16 and then it starts a countdown full of ads. After which i get the very helpful message that "The video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. Please check back soon."

        If you can provide me that other link i'll give it a try.

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        • Originally posted by Lechmere View Post
          Monty
          Blink provided their own dossier.
          I said this earlier.
          But if you think there is some killer fact that could have been withheld then spill the beans. What 'fact' would have changed Andy Griffiths opinion had he been aware if it?

          Trevor
          I thought you had disappeared for a minute and had visions of you rushing out a new book - 'It was Lechmere wot dun it'.

          As I have said before - the timings fit - no matter how vague they may have been in that era - they fit. It could be that they did not fit but they do fit.

          How can all parties be so specific almost to the minute according to the program. Did the all have H Samuel ever-right watches?

          I have addressed Lechmere's attendance at the inquest with you before. He was unknown to the police in Sunday night and appeared at the inquest on Monday morning. Mizen did not know his name until he met him at the inquest.

          How do you know all of that?

          He either went to the police late on Sunday and was immediately summonsed or he turned up for the first time in the morning. I have always favoured the suggestion that he presented himself on Sunday night. The means of including witnesses in inquests - although there was a proscribed method - was not strictly adhered to in this period. So he could have turned up in the morning.

          This Para contradicts what you say in the previous one, which is right, do you really know or are you making it up as you go along?

          If my memory serves Andy Griffiths favoured the morning attendance.
          (The issue of him appearing in his work clothes and apron was not mentioned in the documentary).

          The extra time used by Lechmere would have been taken up by him meeting Nichols on Whitechapel Road, walking with her to Bucks Row and then (the final two minutes) killing her.

          You don't know he met her on Whitechapel Road do you, in fact do you even know she was in Whitechapel Road prior to here death ?

          All of this was not gone into in detail for reasons of time.

          I have traced about 110 records of Lechmere recording his family name as Lechmere - school records, trade directories, electoral registers, censuses, births, deaths, marriages, baptisms - and none when he chose to call himself Cross (the name you seem to prefer). The documentary said 120 - but I recalculated since then - I think I have traced about 110.
          I prefer it because that he name he gave at the inquest "on oath"

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          • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
            I prefer it because that he name he gave at the inquest "on oath"
            G'day Trevor

            And no one ever lies on oath do they, now even cops.
            G U T

            There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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            • I think the Lechmere theory falls down over the Annie Chapman murder. If Lechmere had to be at work by 4am , there is no possible way he could have killed Chapman since we know the body was not in the back garden of Hanbury Street at 4.45am according to John Richardson. Annie's time of death was probably around 5.30am if we can believe the statements of Mrs Long and Albert Cadosch.

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              • For what it's worth if Ed/Christer ever put together a Crossmere book, I'd buy it...but it has to be said I bought the Edwards book too out of curiosity...

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                • Originally posted by GUT View Post
                  G'day Trevor

                  And no one ever lies on oath do they, now even cops.
                  What would he gain by deliberately giving a false name in a high profile murder inquest with London's press waiting to pounce. If he had something to hide he wouldn't have gone in the first place and would have done a runner no doubt

                  That would have been two chances to run would it not. and there was no mention in the prog that he had the opportunity to run if guilty which would be a normal reaction. No mention of Bucks Row being dark quiet street where you could hear some one coming 50 yards away before you saw them or they saw you.

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                  • Originally posted by Simon Owen View Post
                    I think the Lechmere theory falls down over the Annie Chapman murder. If Lechmere had to be at work by 4am , there is no possible way he could have killed Chapman since we know the body was not in the back garden of Hanbury Street at 4.45am according to John Richardson. Annie's time of death was probably around 5.30am if we can believe the statements of Mrs Long and Albert Cadosch.
                    Also that it is, in part at least, based on "routes to work" when some murders were on non-work days.
                    G U T

                    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                    • Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                      For what it's worth if Ed/Christer ever put together a Crossmere book, I'd buy it...but it has to be said I bought the Edwards book too out of curiosity...
                      I'd but it too, as long as it has a bt more than we know so far.
                      G U T

                      There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                      • His stepfather

                        Wasn't Lechmeres mum married to a policeman at some point?

                        I was just about able to hear the program over the clanking of my husband doing the washing up, bless him! I was quite impressed with the program actually and it has now made me want to dig into details (if I can)
                        I think it more likely a lot of witnesses gave false or alternate names because the press could become a bother.

                        Pat.........................

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                        • The only murder on a non work day was the double event and this was specifically dealt with in the documentary.
                          The doctor put the Chapman time of death earlier and tge police were somewhat enclined to disbelieve the witnesses who suggested a later time.
                          In any case if Chapman was murdered later then Lechmere could still have done it - this aspect of the case was not gone into for reasons of time.

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                          • Hi Pat

                            Yes Thomas Cross

                            All the best

                            Dave

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                            • For clarification.

                              Blink conducted their own extensive research independently?

                              Its not so much facts that have been missed (though they may have, I intend to re-watch), more what personal opinion have been interpreted as such.

                              Trevor has hit upon the summons, McNab and Griffiths have both stated an assumption regarding known as, I could go on, but we have been here before and its late.

                              "Christer - you are a star. Thank you for coming over and giving Sam so much fascinating material - I’m sure everyone will be rooting for you."

                              I assume Sam is the Director, Sam Berrigan Taplin. So we have a feeding of material by Christer, and one assumes yourself, to the Director. I also assume that this material was a batch of news reports and family information we see Christer clutching.

                              An admittance of glossing over does not bode well regarding an extensive and thoroughly researched job, especially in the time given of 6 months.

                              However, I thought it looked $hit hot. Really well filmed. And Christer came across well.

                              Monty
                              Monty

                              https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

                              Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                              http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                              • Ok Trevor
                                I know those things because they are part of the historical record which I have studied.

                                Lechmere either turned up for the first time at the inquest and was fitted into the proceedings, or he visited a police station on the Sunday night - after the police issued their statement or perhaps to a different police station more or less while they were issuing their statement.
                                Is that too difficult to follow?

                                I don't know for a fact that he met her on Whitechapel Road but it strikes me as by far the most likely scenario. She had last been seen on Whitechapel High Street which you no doubt know is a continuation of Whitechapel Road. This goes for whoever did it.

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