The Missing Evidence - New Ripper Documentary

[Amanda]

Interesting...

Interesting programme.

However, I believe that in order to place Lechmere walking to work along the route of the murders, you would need to at least run this scenario again with another couple of dozen men who lived in the East End and worked at Pickford's.
I think there would be plenty of them walking the same streets at similar times.

The 'evidence' here seems to rely heavily on newspaper reports, which differ from paper to paper. Anyone can be selective in choosing the right report to fit his or her personal suspect/theory.

I look forward to reading Christer's finished book, in the hope that it contains something more concrete to support his Lechmere case.

Amanda

[Lechmere]

Monty
Exactly what piece of evidence do you think was withheld that would have changed his opinion?

[DRoy]

I'm thankful for getting to see the photos. Thanks to whoever made the arrangements and/or took the steps to get permission to share them.

How do they stack up against any of the witness descriptions given?

Cheers
DRoy

[spyglass]

I'm thankful for getting to see the photos. Thanks to whoever made the arrangements and/or took the steps to get permission to share them.

How do they stack up against any of the witness descriptions given?

Cheers
DRoy

I did notice that possibly a left handed JTR held his walking stick in his right hand.

[Tom_Wescott]

I did notice that possibly a left handed JTR held his walking stick in his right hand.

Jack the Ripper was right-handed.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[pinkmoon]

[QUOTE=Amanda;318477]Interesting programme.

However, I believe that in order to place Lechmere walking to work along the route of the murders, you would need to at least run this scenario again with another couple of dozen men who lived in the East End and worked at Pickford's.
I think there would be plenty of them walking the same streets at similar times.

The 'evidence' here seems to rely heavily on newspaper reports, which differ from paper to paper. Anyone can be selective in choosing the right report to fit his or her personal suspect/theory.

I look forward to reading Christer's finished book, in the hope that it contains something more concrete to support his Lechmere case.

Amanda[/QUOTE
I agree totally my dear he could have taken various routes to work and let's face it newspapers are known for their accurate reporting

[spyglass]

Jack the Ripper was right-handed.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Its him then, the fool wans'nt that clever after all.

[gnote]

Jack the Ripper was right-handed.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Knowing that the police should have rounded up every right-handed person in London and interrogated them.

Sounds of some lazy police work to me.

[Monty]

Monty
Exactly what piece of evidence do you think was withheld that would have changed his opinion?

Not what I asked. Who provided Blnk with the dossier.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

I don't need to know about your sleeping arrangements Trobert.

Andy explained why he placed more reliance on Robert Paul's timing.
I actually questioned him about this afterwards.

The program was to precise with the timings to fit in with the 9 minutes that it is suggested Cross had with the victim before the arrival of Paul.

How could the parties be so "specific" about the times ?

It was said Cross "turned" up at the inquest, that isn't true no one just turns up at an inquest.

As I said before Cross must have given one of the police officers his details for him to have had a statement taken from him before the inquest and for the police to notify him when to attend the inquest so nothing sinister there.

Getting back to the 9 minute window it was suggested that Cross was disturbed by Paul and wasn't able to carry out the same mutilations as the later victims. Yet the medical expert stated that it would have needed less than 2 minutes to carry out the wounds that were in fact inflicted. That would mean that he still would have had 7 minutes to spare more than enough time if you lok at the time lines relative to Eddowes murder

What documents were referred to in which it showed Cross using the name Lechmere 100 plus times

[Lechmere]

Monty
Blink provided their own dossier.
I said this earlier.
But if you think there is some killer fact that could have been withheld then spill the beans. What 'fact' would have changed Andy Griffiths opinion had he been aware if it?

Trevor
I thought you had disappeared for a minute and had visions of you rushing out a new book - 'It was Lechmere wot dun it'.

As I have said before - the timings fit - no matter how vague they may have been in that era - they fit. It could be that they did not fit but they do fit.
I have addressed Lechmere's attendance at the inquest with you before. He was unknown to the police in Sunday night and appeared at the inquest on Monday morning. Mizen did not know his name until he met him at the inquest.
He either went to the police late on Sunday and was immediately summonsed or he turned up for the first time in the morning. I have always favoured the suggestion that he presented himself on Sunday night. The means of including witnesses in inquests - although there was a proscribed method - was not strictly adhered to in this period. So he could have turned up in the morning.
If my memory serves Andy Griffiths favoured the morning attendance.
(The issue of him appearing in his work clothes and apron was not mentioned in the documentary).

The extra time used by Lechmere would have been taken up by him meeting Nichols on Whitechapel Road, walking with her to Bucks Row and then (the final two minutes) killing her.
All of this was not gone into in detail for reasons of time.

I have traced about 110 records of Lechmere recording his family name as Lechmere - school records, trade directories, electoral registers, censuses, births, deaths, marriages, baptisms - and none when he chose to call himself Cross (the name you seem to prefer). The documentary said 120 - but I recalculated since then - I think I have traced about 110.

[Lechmere]

Andy MacNab the series producer sent me this kind note:

Edward - thank you so much for all your help on this - this is your breakthrough and I hope your book is a great success. More than anything else - I’d love for new information to come forward as a result of the programme - you never know who will be watching. I’ll make sure that Blink forward anything to you and Christer.

Christer - you are a star. Thank you for coming over and giving Sam so much fascinating material - I’m sure everyone will be rooting for you.

For what it’s worth - I’ve been a Ripperologist for several decades now and I have to say I’m absolutely convinced that you’ve cracked it. I never thought I’d be able to say that.

If I can help with any of your efforts in the future then please just shout. Blink films owe you a big one and I am absolutely thrilled to have been involved (albeit in a limited way) in bringing Lechmere to a wider audience.

Best wishes

David McNab

[gnote]

Video on the channel 5 site not loading for me. Of course all the ads work just fine. Then i get a message stating the video is currently unavailable.

I think this is evidence of a royal conspiracy.

[Lechmere]

Andy MacNab also sent me this...

Actually, if you’re posting comments then feel free to use the following: I have been constantly amazed by how certain contributors to Casebook are in a state of perpetual denial - in particular over the false name. Of course the evidence against Lechmere isn’t watertight - at this distance it would be astonishing if absolute proof came to light - but considering that all other suspects have so little going for them I am stunned that so many obviously intelligent people can look for problems with Lechmere rather than the glaringly obvious pointers to guilt. The most compelling argument is that of ALL the facts we know about Lechmere - not ONE raises a legitimate question mark over the man.

As you know, in the programme we inevitably had to leave out a lot of evidence. the most obvious is that if Lechmere was the killer then he would have almost certainly been lying about the time he left for work. The contradictory times given in the show were too complex to cover in detail so we glossed over them - but not without good reason. Interestingly the police timings do seem to support each other - and contradict Robert Paul - however the most damning timings are between Lechmere and Paul. Whatever time they left - there is no way Paul was anywhere near to Lechmere at the apparent time of death - it almost defies logic that anyone else could have killed Nichols - whether at 3.40 or 3.45. In reality I believe he had far more time than we gave him - at least ten minutes more. We didn’t talk about the bizarre stopping of Paul which was incredibly suspect. We didn’t have time to mention the apron that could so obviously is directly on his route back to Doveton Street. As I said at our meeting I love your explanation for the “Jewes” writing. It makes total sense. We didn’t mention much more about how physically able carmen were - used to handling dray horses and loading and unloading - they were incredibly strong.

My personal hunch is that Lechmere’s eldest daughter was his first victim (although not of murder obviously) and that is why she stayed under the protection her grandmother when he was forced to move. It would be typical if his wife was in denial - but his mother was too long in the tooth to ignore the signs and was intent on protecting her oldest grandaughter. I suspect the double murder happened directly after a failed attempt to get his daughter back. I also suspect that his other killings were opportunistic. He probably saw clients leaving the women and it triggered some kind of rage in him.

I sincerely hope something new comes from this. At least one tweeter was claiming to be his great great grand daughter, we contacted quite a few of his living relatives but no doubt missed a fair few.

[Lechmere]

gnote are you in the UK?
How Brown in JTR Forums is getting a link that US viewers can view it on.