JtR Documentaries- Complete the List

[jmenges]

- just listen to Rippercast! Those guys are constantly correctng each other, reminding each other of names or dates that one or other can't remember, etc.

I know and this is true even after months of preparation, piles of notes and questions. The work that goes into each and every episode.

Seriously, as many have I'm sure noticed, we leave most of the mistakes to float out there, uncorrected. The show tries to serve a purpose, albeit different from the documentaries, but even with us mistakes will be made. And more often than we'd like.

Hopefully that, in spite of the occasional error, on the whole the podcast serves it's listeners well.

JM

[Sam Flynn]

Hopefully that, in spite of the occasional error, on the whole the podcast serves it's listeners well.

Decidedly so, Jon - the podcast is one of the best things to have happened in this field in recent years. I'm sure Bailey thinks so too.

[Jeff Leahy]

Hey Pirate
Post-production fact checking should certainly be and essential stage in producing a doco, but even tho, is a producer going to know if someone said June 3rd instead of June 4th unless they query every word out of every contributor?

All the best!

Cheers,
Bailey

Well its been a point of contention with me for a long time. I pitched my first Jack the Ripper Documentary in 2001. And I've been pitching on a regular basis, with various ideas, since then.

But yes, I think a Producer should get it right, god knows I've spent enough time checking 'Me' facts...I know what needs to be made..and I'm trying me best to get it done...

At least 1hr per victim..(six victims) and some modern forensenic psychology on the killer's, Druit and Kosminski (Chapman/Tumbelty).

That would sit good for me...still no commission..

However I have a small commission to make a doc on 'Jack the Rippers Kent'..for Kent TV.. So expect...finally..a production without error

No doubt casebook will try a execute me...I just dont think I can do worse than the doc's on offer so far

Yours Jeff

PS. My first taste of JtR was Barlow and Watts, when I was a kid..I wonty to do better than that...Thats the aim..

Cheers Bailey, Good night

[Bailey]

I know and this is true even after months of preparation, piles of notes and questions. The work that goes into each and every episode.

Seriously, as many have I'm sure noticed, we leave most of the mistakes to float out there, uncorrected. The show tries to serve a purpose, albeit different from the documentaries, but even with us mistakes will be made. And more often than we'd like.

Hopefully that, in spite of the occasional error, on the whole the podcast serves it's listeners well.

JM

Oh bollocks, have I put my foot in it again?

My only complaint about Rippercast at this junction is that after a few weeks of solid listening I've just about caught up with the backlog and I'm going to be reduced to once a week... My point was of course that we have some of the top names in the field involved in the podcast, and any one of them can have a slip now and then, and nobody should care. It's good that they usually have someone equally knowledgable there to be their safety net on those occasions.

All going to plan, JM, I'll be hitting the library on Monday...

Cheers,
B.

[Bailey]

At least 1hr per victim..(six victims) and some modern forensenic psychology on the killer's, Druit and Kosminski (Chapman/Tumbelty).

Yikes! That's pretty ambitious, Jeff! So presumably, one episode per each of six (assuming C5 plus Tabram?) victims, then are you looking at an episode per suspect, or one suspect episode? Either way, best of luck - it'd be something to see.

So as per your feeling that you'd want to be extremely on the ball with fact checking, would you, for example, show a cut or perhaps the raw footage of their interview to each contributor to allow them to correct themselves if they felt they'd put a foot wrong somewhere? The downside there of course is that while you might be able to cover such situations in the edit (a new voiceover placed over appropriate archival stills or footage being the easy option) you could find yourself having to resort to reshoots.

And I guess you'd maybe want a couple of better known names - the likes of Begg, Evans, Fido, Skinner et al - to peruse the entire finished product to fact check. That could be costly of course, as I expect such consulting / advisory fees might run to a few quid.

Anyhoo, best of luck - as I said, it's an ambitious project you have in mind, and I can see how it might be a tricky one to find a home for.

Cheers,
B.

[jmenges]

Thanks all for your input here and compliments on the podcast. I'll be putting the show together over the next 2 days so look for it available on Monday evening(USA).

It's a solo show since I've kindly allowed 3 co-hosts to take a bit of a summer break. Given that and the rather difficult subject matter of dates and details for these programs, some of which I've not seen, don't expect it to be an error free podcast. But a general overview of the timeline as it pertains to Ripper documentaries.

Hope you all find it enjoyable.

JM

https://www.rippernet.com

[Bailey]

Thanks all for your input here and compliments on the podcast. I'll be putting the show together over the next 2 days so look for it available on Monday evening(USA).

It's a solo show since I've kindly allowed 3 co-hosts to take a bit of a summer break. Given that and the rather difficult subject matter of dates and details for these programs, some of which I've not seen, don't expect it to be an error free podcast. But a general overview of the timeline as it pertains to Ripper documentaries.

Hope you all find it enjoyable.

JM

www.rippernet.com

I'm sure it'll be excellent as ever, JM. I've just been having another look at "Jack The Ripper Conspiracies." No doubt someone involved is waiting to leap out at me over this, but I will stand by my following opinion that it (and its sibling "Jack The Ripper's London") deserve some sort of award for Weirdest Voiceover Style Ever...

Looking forward to the end result,
B.

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Bailey.

I used to casually know Liam Dale, who wrote and did the voiceovers for those two pieces. I did point out to him his voiceover was odd but he thought it was some kind of compliment. He's done loads of different pieces on all sorts of subjects and it's always bizarre.

The second piece - Jack the Ripper Conspiracies - was comissioned, and consequently Liam had some money to play with. Some clips are taken from the first one but it's the better of the two. It's not really a bad documentary if you can get over his voice.

Jonathan - I've got pretty much ALL the documentaries you'll be talking about this evening and I have the evening free. If you wanted me to come on board, you know where I am. PM me here, though, as I won't have Skype turned on.

PHILIP

[Bailey]

Hey Philip

It's certainly a very watchable doco. Like most it's a little lurid here and there and has a few inaccuracies, but would make a great intro to the case... if the voiceover wasn't so odd, which I know my wife found really offputting when we first watched it, and has become something of a joke since. It's hard to describe - over-enunciated, with some weird emphasis on odd words. I ultimately decided the best summing up was Stephen Hawking by way of Blackadder.

Aside from that, my only other worry about it was the weird filmed inserts of people lovingly fondling kidneys and the extremely odd-looking Jack they had lurking about, all top hat and long coat with big sideburns and Emo makeup

JTR's London was much more interesting for me as someone who has not had the opportunity to visit the sites - to see them as they are now directly contrasted with archival photos like that is quite superb. Someone should do a book like that, don't you think?

B.

[jmenges]

Jonathan - I've got pretty much ALL the documentaries you'll be talking about this evening and I have the evening free. If you wanted me to come on board, you know where I am. PM me here, though, as I won't have Skype turned on.

PHILIP

You're on Philip. I'll PM you.

Thanks,

JM

[Mike Covell]

Should be a fantastic show!!

[George Hutchinson]

Yes, Mike. The three brass monkeys.

Bailey - those are actually Liam's hands! The awful emo Jack you mention is simply an employee of the London Dungeon. Using their actors was one of their requirements. To this day, all the staff have to wear white make-up with whatever they want on top of it. Seriously. You would have thought they would have let the guy be a little more normal though, wouldn't you?

I've got a couple of photos of myself lurking around somewhere from when I worked there. Including white face.

PHILIP

[Mike Covell]

The awful emo Jack you mention is simply an employee of the London Dungeon.
PHILIP

An Emo Jack, I have heard it all now!!

[George Hutchinson]

"A murder - a murderer - is only an extroverted suicide" (Graham Chapman, 1970)

PHILIP

[Sam Flynn]

"A murder - a murderer - is only an extroverted suicide" (Graham Chapman, 1970)

"A murder? A murder is ze voman vot voss marritt to mein farder" (George Chapman, 1902).