Crippen Documentary 1 July 2008

[ghoulstonstreet]

Thank you Menges for locating and helping us with this Crippen thread. Do you know how we can somehow view "Was Dr. Crippen Innocent?" PLUS I still don't get why Michigan State backpedaled. Please give your take on it. Thanks

[ghoulstonstreet]

Dr. Foran?

Or the tissue sample tested was contaminated.

Or the whole thing was a sham.

Respectfully,

JM

Sorry if I've remembered the man's name wrong since reading it last week, but in the ERROR documentary the Michigan scientist says in no uncertain terms that the tissue samples were ample enough to supply good DNA, that the gender tests were done more than once with the same MALE result and that the other tests were repeatable and replicated. I think there's no doubt but that the tissue on the slides is male. There is also no doubt that it would be extremely senseless for Crippen to get rid of the head and ALL the bones but bury incriminating flesh pieces in the cellar. Add to that the testimony of the police that the smell was atrocious and I think you have a good case for some evidence planted just days before it was dug up. As the documentary states, Dew or someone else, a forerunner of Mark Fuhrman (remember O.J.?), put the stuff in the cellar to clinch the case against Crippen, who they wanted to find guilty. Where did the body parts come from? Law Enforcement has always had access to untold sources of dead people - vagrants, morgues, funeral homes - and they obviously never figured that a time would come when gender could be established without looking at body appendages.

[protohistorian]

I am not trying to be difficult. I am interested in the degree of spin put on the lab results. If we remove the issue of tracing the Mt DNA, there is still the matter of the Y chromosome. The presence of a y is rather intriguing to me. Respectfully Dave

[protohistorian]

10 years ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly. Anti contamination protocols pioneered in the study of archaic DNA have all but eliminated contamination by environment within the lab and processor. It boils down to the protocol used within the lab. Respectfully Dave

[jmenges]

Skin tissue samples stand a better chance to be contaminated in the lab during mtDNA testing than hair follicle samples. Its whilst playing with the creamy filling that the contamination would have occurred.

JM

[protohistorian]

Hello Kat. It could only be contaminated externally. If the tested cells came from the interior of the sample, there could be no contamination. Think of an Oreo cookie. The contamination could only reside on the wafers. If the creamy filling is where the test cells were taken from, there can be no contamination. Respectfully Dave

[KatBradshaw]

Actually from what I have heard the sample that was tested for the documentary is quite likely to be contaminated. I believe I heard this on a Rippercast so don't shoot me if I missheard.
There is a better sample however which is still heald in the archive at teh Scotland Yard Museum. This one is a proper hair sample.
One thing I have often wondered, what happened to the rest of her.

[protohistorian]

From the little I have to go on I view contamination as relatively unlikely. Even in a slide width sample, actual tested samples could be extracted from the middle of the tissue for example the dermis or sub cutis cells that would have no chance at DNA contamination. If the possibility of contamination existed in the mind of the tester, protocols exist for the abatement of that eventuality. Respectfully Dave

[protohistorian]

well yes sir, there is that option. Respectfully Dave

[jmenges]

Or the tissue sample tested was contaminated.

Or the whole thing was a sham.

Respectfully,

JM

[protohistorian]

Hi, everyone.

I don't think this American 'Crippen' video has been posted before; my apologies if it has.

I skimmed the last 19 pages of posts to check, and I must say, and this thread really looks fascinating... I'm definitely looking forward to giving it a much more careful reading!

This video is called 'Executed In Error' so its premise is rather apparent.
It was made by PBS (Public Television) for a series called 'Secrets of the Dead' and was originally aired in the Fall of 2008. It's 54 minutes long.

(By the way, I noticed a comment by Jon earlier saying that the American & British Crippen documentaries were very similar.)

http://video.pbs.org/video/121179706...ram/1185782726

Best regards, Archaic

The presence of a y chromosome surely means that the prosecution of Crippen for Cora's death was in err. Respectfully Dave

[Stewart P Evans]

Parry

From 'Crippen' by L. A. Parry, M.D., B.S., F.R.C.S., in Crime And Its Detection, Volume II, London, The Gresham Publishing Company, n.d. (1931), ed. by W. Teignmouth Shore -

[Stewart P Evans]

Willcox

From The Detective-Physician The Life and Work of Sir William Willcox 1870-1941 by Philip H. A. Willcox, London, William Heinemann Medical Books,1970 -

[Archaic]

Crippen Video: 'Executed In Error' On 'Secrets of the Dead'

Hi, everyone.

I don't think this American 'Crippen' video has been posted before; my apologies if it has.

I skimmed the last 19 pages of posts to check, and I must say, and this thread really looks fascinating... I'm definitely looking forward to giving it a much more careful reading!

This video is called 'Executed In Error' so its premise is rather apparent.
It was made by PBS (Public Television) for a series called 'Secrets of the Dead' and was originally aired in the Fall of 2008. It's 54 minutes long.

(By the way, I noticed a comment by Jon earlier saying that the American & British Crippen documentaries were very similar.)

http://video.pbs.org/video/121179706...ram/1185782726

Best regards, Archaic

[larue]

is last night's documentary on the investigation channel the same one as has been discussed on this thread??