One-on-One with Andrew Cook

[Tom_Wescott]

Ah, when the screw turns so does the worm

Don't forget about the tables.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Cap'n Jack]

Tides, Tom, tides.
All my life I waited for a tide to turn, and all I see are puddles.

[Tom_Wescott]

If anyone you know would like to see stomachs turn, tell 'em to display Cook's book in your local bookstore.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Natalie Severn]

Ah, when the screw turns so does the worm, and then the bud is infected, and no flower comes.
Cover your turned coats with the bleeding skins of slain whores and drink your punch, blood red at conference, and then clap your own slayer.
'We' are not amused.

Oh do come on.You have seen the photo of Mary Kelly"s slain remains a thousand times on this site and most of the time clapped your telescope to your blind eye--------.

Just so long as its not on a front cover? I call that an act of complicity.
What made you see red was Stewart"s ringing ------praises?

[Cap'n Jack]

I would remind you, Natalie, that I have made my objections to this image known since 1994; and that I have only made my objections known to SPE's influence on this image since May 2009. and that is since he started this thread on Andrew's cookbook.
It is to yourself that I refer in my previous posts, and not SPE.
So defend yourself, and not him.

[Jeff Leahy]

I remember only one 'Wolf' attacking Stewart, unless you count Pirate Jack, which most of us usually don't.

Dear Evil Ludwig, is there a sheep in your life?

[Natalie Severn]

I appreciate that Cap"n but on the other hand I couldnt help but notice that poor old Stewart,in that nice old fashioned English way of his,had set up a thread,specifically, to discuss ,in a "civilised" fashion, Andrew Cook"s book .But before I could blink,hey presto,I suddenly became aware of all hell being let loose .To tell you the truth I wasnt following it too closely at first,but all of a sudden there was a sort of bat out of hell uproar with your good self leading the revolt!
OK, the pic perhaps has done Cook no favours.But actually it was what happened to poor Mary Kelly,-----as I know you too will be mindful of.We can choose to ignore that but in the end ,after all,it is what Jack was about---because he himself was such a ghastly piece of works,he wanted those women to be likewise---and so I think the idea in this book ,that JtR didnt exist ,is actually going nowhere.
Sorry if I offended you dear Ap,-----but -above all to thine own self be true ---and all that,

[Jeff Leahy]

Actually Nat, I think you have that wrong. As I understand Cook’s book and the TV documentary are claiming “That the invention of a SINGLE killer called Jack the Ripper was an INVENTION of the press”

And as I understand this is what Cook has actually failed to establish.

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

Thankyou Pirate,
The truth is that the press can "guide" people towards thinking night is day and black is white and such is its power of persuasion or suggestion,large swathes of the population can be seen to have been duped from time to time.But I don"t think anyone was duped over Jack the Ripper.He existed all right and in my personal opinion was probably responsible for quite a few MORE deaths than those attributed to him.

[Cap'n Jack]

Oh you never offend or upset me Natalie, it is but the cut and thrust of murder most foul... and I am here to represent one simple thing, and that is the pen is mightier than sword, even when crass commercial interest is involved.

[Natalie Severn]

Thankyou Ap.I am not so sure that Andrew Cook is to be dismissed because you believe he is involved in "crass money making projects".
The book of his I got from the library was excitingly written and greatly helped to situate the British spy "Inspector Melville" ,who became the spy master,in the spiders web of British espionage at the turn of the century.His book helped me to see the possibility too that Tumblety was either a double agent or an "agent provocateur".I was intrigued to say the least and impressed with several of his hypothesis[he didnt exactly say so about Tumblety----you were left to draw your own conclusions but the possibilities became apparent as he dug up evidence of what looked like Tumblety"s insider knowledge and treatment.
Cheers

[Cap'n Jack]

And then Andrew met Stewart.

[Jeff Leahy]

OK i fibbed

[perrymason]

On some recent posts about the rounded/pointed knife that was likely used on Stride, there is no evidence based on her murder alone that eliminates a rounded tip was used. Since the end of the blade doesnt likely come in to play here anyway for that wound on that victim, that would seem a sensible position.

The pointed-round debate has far more to do with theorizing that Stride and Kate were killed by the same man, and therefore most probably, the same knife....a rounded tip would not have worked with Kate obviously....(see long jagged incision and chevrons for example).

I admit I have not looked through any of the podcast data yet, for the moment Ive been more curious about the reactions to some remarks and positions from the folks here that I do know a bit.

I do like the Canonical 3 concept mentioned in an earlier post.

Best regards all.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Perry and all,

The knife Coram found was round tipped, but would not have been the knife used on Stride, so there's absolutely no reason to suspect Stride's killer went out with a sharp knife that had a dulled edge. That doesn't even make sense. So Cook's (or anyone else's) entire argument that a different knife was used on Stride is founded on a myth that arose years ago from a misunderstanding of the inquest, but has been corrected over and over again.

Regarding the idea of a 'canonical three', Dr. Phillips believed that only 3 women could be accurately attributed to one killer (though he didn't discount the possibility of others). He did NOT think Eddowes was one of these three. I believe his three to be Nichols, Chapman, and Kelly.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott