Speaking as a cricketer
I have known teamates who have played having had no sleep due to working nights, its not unheard of. Judging Blackheaths scorecard, Druitt batted early and only made 2. Thus giving him the rest of the innings to catch some rest. Though he bowled around 13 overs during Christphersons innings, that really isnt a shedload. 6 n 7 split Id say, an they were all out for a mere 93. It was hardly a strenuos game.
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Ep. 38- Killers on the Loose: Eliminating the Suspects
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Possibly, Fish, although I'd be extremely surprised if that sort of adrenalized high could be sustained for several hours after the escape before giving way to the sort of fatigue that Ally mentioned, certainly not for the entire morning's duration.
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BenLast edited by Ben; 01-14-2009, 10:58 PM.
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Ben writes:
"Whether the thrill of the murder and the realisation that he had escaped undetected again was still as forceful as by 10.00 or 11.00 is more doubtful."
That it is, Ben. Sooner or later the effect must of course have worn off. But I see no reason why it could not be speculated that it may have kept him at a constant "high" at the very least throughout the morning. It may even have prevented him from being able to go to sleep for some considerable time.
When that time ran out, however, is of course impossible to say. But I thought the phenomenon in itself deserved mentioning in this debate!
All the best,
Fisherman
PS. Ally got a line in before me, and I think it is a good one - once he came down from that cloud, he may well have slept very deeply and for a long time. This all, however, means that we are making the presumption of a certain character on the Rippers behalf. There are also other possibilities; he may have gone to sleep immediately afterwards and slept like a child, just as he may have spent a very troubled night, floating in and out of haunted dreams.
I still feel that opting for the alternative of him getting a boost out of it all seems the better guess to me.Last edited by Fisherman; 01-14-2009, 10:41 PM.
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I would imagine that while the killer would have experience a huge adrenaline rush in the immediate, during the killing and escaping, I would imagine that the adrenaline rush would have given way to exhaustion from both the excess of out all night looking for a victim and the more specific fatigue that follows such a "rush".
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When it is stated that Druitt may have been exhausted after a night of killing and eviscerating, I think we must ponder the possibility that the effect of it could well have been quite the opposite of exhaustion
All the best,
Ben
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Just thought IŽd butt in for a second to offer a wiew that has been overlooked here. When it is stated that Druitt may have been exhausted after a night of killing and eviscerating, I think we must ponder the possibility that the effect of it could well have been quite the opposite of exhaustion. I think that a fair guess is that whoever killed Chapman got a real boost out of it. He was probably exhilarated afterwards, not exhausted.
For all we know, if Druitt did kill Chapman (and no, I do not think that he did...), that may have been pure speed to him.
The best, all!
Fisherman
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But they are not linked to the issue of how "tight" the timing was - to the issue of how much spare time there would have been to do what had to be done
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Originally posted by Ben View PostNot specifically, but of course both are inextricably linked to the issue of timing.
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Hi Chris,
You mean it would have been difficult for Druitt to do all that he would have had to do between the time of the murder and the time of the cricket match?
You are not talking about the psychology of playing cricket so soon after committing a murder, or the fact that he would have been tired after being up all night?
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Originally posted by Chris View PostBut "not very plausible" because the amount of time Druitt would have had to spare would have been so short - not because of the psychological factor or because of other considerations that make Druitt an unlikely suspect?
You are not talking about the psychology of playing cricket so soon after committing a murder, or the fact that he would have been tired after being up all night?
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Hi Andy,
Uhm..again, we must pay attention not merely to the fact that Druitt played cricket on Sept 8 but also how well or poorly he played. Did you even look at that?
I simply fail to see where this is unlikely merely because we have no record of it.
Your reasoning seems to be that traveling a distance of 25 miles (Bournemouth to Salisbury) to play a game is completely likely but traveling an additional 70 miles (London to Salisbury = 95 miles), an additional two hours at most on a train to a destination at which he has a relative living
The prevailing opinion, however, remains that she is probably not a Ripper victim.
The majority of contemporary police officials were inclined to include, rather than exclude her (Anderson, Abberline, Reid etc), and the same is true of the majority criminologists who have studied the case. As for "ripperologists" I've seen no evidence that Tabram-excluders are in the majority, far from it. I'm personally very wary of any theory that is too strongly dependent on the exclusion (or inclusion) of certain victims.
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BenLast edited by Ben; 01-14-2009, 08:46 PM.
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Uhm..again, we must pay attention not merely to the fact that Druitt played cricket on Sept 8 but also how well or poorly he played. Did you even look at that? Druitt's performance is consistent with one who had been out all night. Oh, and in my younger days I would sometimes spend the night partying and drinking and then play softball -- or work at a physically demanding job (or both!) -- the next day. Though I confess that I was a bit younger than 31 then.
You keep mentioning Druitt's "popping back and forth" between London and Dorset as being unlikely. In fact, it would require only one such round trip in a three week period. I simply fail to see where this is unlikely merely because we have no record of it. Particularly so when we consider Druitt's law practice.
And your argument regarding Salisbury is to me similarly insipid. If that is Montague who appeared on Aug 22 in Salisbury, and I stress that there is really no reason to believe it is, I see no particular unlikelihood to his making the trip from London to Salisbury, particularly if the Blackheath club was on hiatus. Your reasoning seems to be that traveling a distance of 25 miles (Bournemouth to Salisbury) to play a game is completely likely but traveling an additional 70 miles (London to Salisbury = 95 miles), an additional two hours at most on a train to a destination at which he has a relative living, to play a game is completely unlikely. I just don't see the logic here.
Regarding Tabram, I've made that the caveat all along. The prevailing opinion, however, remains that she is probably not a Ripper victim.Last edited by aspallek; 01-14-2009, 08:29 PM.
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Not very plausible for a whole host of reasons, to be honest, Chris - those ones included. As I mentioned on the podcast, none of this gives him an abili, and I expressed the (possibly) forlorn hope that one may be uncovered in the fullness of time.
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Originally posted by Ben View PostAgain, not impossible, just not very plausible.
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You are claiming that there was "little time to spare" in the sense that it would have been difficult for Druitt to do all that he would have had to do between the time of the murder and the time of the cricket match?
Again, not impossible, just not very plausible.
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