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[richardnunweek]

Hi,
Call me old fashioned, but I am not into all this reconstruction mania, however it was brilliantly done, and would give an insight to viewers that were not familiar with the case.
I guess I have seen too many Ripper docs over the years, and the number of times , I have seen a knife being wiped are countless, factual errors were present, according to Barnett the window was broken when Kelly pushed him in it, and not as shown .
However it was a good effort, even though Kosminsky is not my idea of JTR.
Regards Richard.

[caz]

I agree, Bob. What's the point of credits that can't be read? I played them back and kept pausing them but could only make out a couple of names.

And Rob and Monty, I think you are being played again, as Giddy and Fell did. As I said elsewhere, I wouldn't take seriously any criticism, constructive or otherwise, posted under daft pseudonyms. Makes me 'Cross' and wish that 'Giddy' would hurry up and fall over. Like twins those two are.

Of course, everything was simply superb. That's what happens when you get the best people for the job on the job.

Monty, I take it all back - I can see now what you mean about all that graffiti!!

Love,

Caz
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[Bob Hinton]

One thing that really irritated me about these two episodes was at the end when the credits were going up they did a 'Sky shrink' that made them unreadable.

Would it be too much to ask for someone to post the credits so the actors and actresses may be given their well deserved applause!

[Rob Clack]

Just to add to what Monty said. On one occasion while studying the bricks at the front of Wentworth Model Dwellings, we got up close (to the bricks not together) and had a good look at the black bricks and they were not gloss and not painted and looked to be an ideal surface for chalk writing.

Rob

[Monty]

Lechmere,

Are we talking gloss here or smooth finish?

To clarify, the bricks were not painted.

The bricks are actually Engineering Bricks, black in colour because they were baked at a high temperature and used in the base layers of a building because they are impenetrable to water. They were the densest of building brick and were basically used as damp proof bricks. These are a smooth finish however I wouldn’t say they were ‘glossed’.

I conducted an experiment, what?, could be 10 years ago now with chalk upon the various brickwork in and around the dwellings (though not the rear – I did not write the ‘3 Juwes’). The engineering brick took the chalk reasonably well however you must bare in mind that chalk compound today differs from 1888. Its more oily today with less residue.

The glazed sepia brickwork (that is what I would call glossed and assumed it was that you were referring to) a few doors toward Wentorth Street did not take the chalk well. It was poor and bitty, not clear at all.

Monty

[cerburusuk]

Mary Kelly's mutilations.

I have left any viewpoints I have on this doc until the second part was aired.
All in all I found it interesting, nothing new to add to the historical facts, but a fairly accurate comprehensive retelling of the well known facts.
The one questionable part was the discription of the mutilations performed on Mary Kelly's face. I don't recall, in Dr Bonds list of injuries to her, the fact that her chin had been removed or her eyelids being sliced off? Its been a while since I have visited this site, so perhaps some new documentation has come to light showing these things were done to her.

[Lechmere]

Swallow Gardens is about 200 yards as the crow (or swallow) flies from the old London Wall City boundary.
John Rocque’s 1746 map of London shows that area as being well and truly built over, as does the 1720 map by John Strype, and even in the 1642-43 map showing Civil War defences. The first map I can find showing that area as being semi rural is dated 1572, assumed to be by George Hoefnagel.

As for the gloss black dado bricks at Wentworth Model Dwellings, I did assumed them to be painted but I have recently been examining those buildings closely and they are not painted. They are black gloss bricks. However, I think gloss painted bricks would take chalk almost as well – but we will see!
Here are some shots...

[sbfightfan]

Dvd of the documentary?

Any chance this documentary will be sold on dvd?I live in the states so I hope an ntsc version would be available.I'm looking forward to seeing this someday.

[The Grave Maurice]

Drat. This is what I hate about living in the sticks. Now I'll have to wait until some clever chap tells me how to access the second part. (Howard---hint, hint).

Lech, it was called Swallow Gardens, not Completely Paved Smog Lane. It must have been rural at some point.

[Monty]

Almost got away with it Lechmere.

It seems we are defining 'Gloss' differingly. Are you stating glazed or painted?

If the former then that would be difficult to write upon, besides looking and the entrance two away, the black bricks remain.

Not gloss in my opinion.

And many thanks Norma.

Monty

[Natalie Severn]

Andy and I thought it was all -both parts- really worthy ,full of well researched information, carefully thought through and played out against a backdrop of brilliant reconstruction work from Jake of Whitechapel"s 1888 buildings.
I enjoyed everybody"s contributions -especially Neil"s -- and hey--- the acting was just fine....!

[Lechmere]

"Heh, so good you posted is twice Lechmere."

Corrected befoire anyone even noticed - almost.

"And to state the bricks in the Wentworth Dwellings were gloss is misleading."

I don't think so - I may be wrong of course. The reports talk of black dado up to four feet. The buildings now have original black gloss bricks up to the height of four or so feet.

[sgh]

An excellent part 2!
Again superb graphics, especially Miiller's Court.
The MJK murder scene matched the photo's very accurately indeed.

Congratulations to all involved.

[Monty]

And to state the bricks in the Wentworth Dwellings were gloss is misleading.

See how easy it is to err?

Monty

[Dark Ali]

Well done to all of you, episode 2 was amazing!