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  • Herlock Sholmes
    Commissioner
    • May 2017
    • 22462

    #121
    As George points out, you would have thought that McCarthy would have had his own key to the rooms therefore why did he break his door open? I wonder if Kelly had lost her key and McCarthy had given her his (intending, but failing, to get a new one?) As c.d. said, the police weren’t idiots. McCarthy would have been asked about a key before anyone got the axe out. Maybe he’d had a new one made but in the circumstances forgot; or he just couldn’t recall where he’d put it? I’d imagine that both he and Bowyer were seriously in need of a good stiff drink or six after what they had seen that morning.
    Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; Today, 03:51 PM.
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    Herlock Sholmes

    ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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    • Herlock Sholmes
      Commissioner
      • May 2017
      • 22462

      #122
      Originally posted by c.d. View Post
      Hello Herlock,

      When the police arrived I have to imagine their first question was to ask McCarthy if he had a key. If he said I have to go home and get it then depending on where he lived they might have said no, we need to get in the room now and thus broke down the door.

      c.d.
      Hi c.d.

      Our posts crossed. You suggestion is a good one but it looks to me like McCarthy lived above the shop the but I’ll certainly stand correcting if someone knows otherwise.
      Regards

      Herlock Sholmes

      ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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      • c.d.
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 6616

        #123
        If a landlord having a spare key is completely normal and even expected, why would McCarthy be reluctant to admit he had one? Saying he didn't (if that was the case) would seem to me to be even more suspicious.

        c.d.

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        • Herlock Sholmes
          Commissioner
          • May 2017
          • 22462

          #124
          I can’t see any reason for him to be reluctant c.d. It seems that, for whatever reason, McCarthy either a) didn’t have a spare key, or b) was too in shock to recall where he’d put it. To be honest I’m not too keen on b). Surely Mrs McCarthy or Bowyer would have known where the keys were kept and why would McCarthy have put a key somewhere else?
          Regards

          Herlock Sholmes

          ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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          • c.d.
            Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 6616

            #125
            Hello Herlock,

            Whatever the case it would appear that his answers satisfied the police.

            c.d.

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            • The Rookie Detective
              Chief Inspector
              • Apr 2019
              • 1914

              #126
              Originally posted by c.d. View Post
              Unless the police were complete idiots (and I don't think they were) wouldn't one of the first things they attempted to determine be how the killer got into the room? Wouldn't that entail questioning McCarthy as to the key situation? How many were there? Who had them? Was there a spare key? Where was that kept? Could someone have gotten access to it without McCarthy's knowledge?

              Wouldn't the question of why the door was broken when McCarthy had a key have been addressed in all this?

              c.d.
              A very good post indeed.

              It seems to me that for McCarthy to have waited for the Superintendent to arrive before taking a pickaxe to the door, implies that upon Arnold's arrival, when he instructed for the door to be opened, Mccarthy at that point must have told Arnold that the key was missing and he wasn't able to enter the room through conventional means.This may have also given Mccarthy an excuse for given the impression he couldn't have entered the room prior to Arnold's arrival.

              There was no reason for Mccarthy to have taken a pickaxe to the door.

              The only explanation is that he told the police he didn't have a key.

              Convenient.
              "Great minds, don't think alike"

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              • c.d.
                Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 6616

                #127
                I'm lost here, R.D. What if legitimately did not have a key in his possession at the time. How in the world is that "convenient?"

                c.d.

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                • The Rookie Detective
                  Chief Inspector
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 1914

                  #128
                  Originally posted by c.d. View Post
                  I'm lost here, R.D. What if legitimately did not have a key in his possession at the time. How in the world is that "convenient?"

                  c.d.
                  A landlord who doesn't have a spare key/skeleton key to each of his rooms, could be deemed as convenient from the perspective that it is a way of telling the police that Mccarthy had no way of accessing the room himself.

                  When Mccarthy uses a pickaxe on the door, it's his way of giving himself some leverage against the possibility of him having been the killer.

                  He is giving himself a practical alibi because the first thing the police would want to know would have been to know exactly who had access to the room, and therefore be suspicious of anyone who would have been able to access the murder scene.

                  If Mccarthy says he has a spare key, the police would automatically treat him as a person of interest.


                  Therefore, by telling the police he needs a pickaxe to break down the door, he is conveniently ruling himself out as a suspect.
                  "Great minds, don't think alike"

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                  • c.d.
                    Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 6616

                    #129
                    He is giving himself a practical alibi because the first thing the police would want to know would have been to know exactly who had access to the room, and therefore be suspicious of anyone who would have been able to access the murder scene.

                    If Mccarthy says he has a spare key, the police would automatically treat him as a person of interest


                    But isn't the consensus here that it would have been normal for him to have a spare key? And wouldn't that have been easy for the police to check? All they had to do was ask Bowyer or any of the residents. It would be getting caught in a lie that would make him suspicious not simply having a key.

                    c.d.

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                    • The Rookie Detective
                      Chief Inspector
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 1914

                      #130
                      Originally posted by c.d. View Post
                      He is giving himself a practical alibi because the first thing the police would want to know would have been to know exactly who had access to the room, and therefore be suspicious of anyone who would have been able to access the murder scene.

                      If Mccarthy says he has a spare key, the police would automatically treat him as a person of interest


                      But isn't the consensus here that it would have been normal for him to have a spare key? And wouldn't that have been easy for the police to check? All they had to do was ask Bowyer or any of the residents. It would be getting caught in a lie that would make him suspicious not simply having a key.

                      c.d.
                      But the case of the missing key relates to Mccarthy's key and not Barnett and Kelly's key.

                      This is because the missing key later turns up again.

                      There's no way that Mccarthy wouldn't have had a master key of some kind.
                      "Great minds, don't think alike"

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                      • c.d.
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 6616

                        #131
                        There's no way that Mccarthy wouldn't have had a master key of some kind.

                        If that is true, would that have been lost on the police? So it would seem that not having a key is much more suspicious than having one, correct?

                        It seems poor McCarthy just can't with respect to the key business. Damned if he has one. Damned if he doesn't.

                        c.d.

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                        • Herlock Sholmes
                          Commissioner
                          • May 2017
                          • 22462

                          #132
                          Originally posted by c.d. View Post
                          Hello Herlock,

                          Whatever the case it would appear that his answers satisfied the police.

                          c.d.
                          Hello c.d.

                          Yes, I think it’s reasonable to assume that.
                          Regards

                          Herlock Sholmes

                          ”I think that Herlock is a genius.” Trevor Marriott

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