An even closer look at Black Bag Man

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Is there any thread on here that doesn’t involve a conspiracy or a cover-up?

Wess is completely unimportant.
Goldstein is even less important.

These two are in the ‘Mrs Fiddymont’ category. Why do they keep getting discussed? I know that we are short of new topics on here but how many times do we need to go over a series of events where we know what happened. It’s very simple. Schwartz was there.

Wess told an Echo reporter about the "Schwartz incident" before Schwartz had signed his police statement.

[New Waterloo]

We have to remember this is 1888, no computers, yes telegraph but no police radios, communicating with other officer through writing notes/reports or face to face. Still for the time they did pretty well really in the few hours and days after the murders in getting as much info as they did.

Information cross referencing would be considerably slower than it is now. It was very poor right up to and including the Yorkshire Ripper murders. In that enquiry the left hand didn't always know what the right hand was doing.

I a lot of ways when looking at the Whitechapel murders we are lucking. There are many statements and press reports we just have to read what there is and really try to resist theories too much although I accept we all including me have to fill in gaps sometimes.

There is no evidence to suggest Schwartz was not genuine in what he reported. He may have misinterpreted what he saw.

There is no evidence to suggest Leon Goldstein didnt exist.

Mortimer says she saw a person with a black bag walking along Berners Street we cannot say who the person was she saw other than he appeared youngish and was carrying a bag. He was walking fast and looked back at the club when he walked by.

Wess and Goldstein go to the police station to suggest that the person Mortimer saw was Goldstein and that he was a member of the club.

Both Goldstein and Schwarz could be genuine. There is no evidence at this time of any conspiracy but there is evidence that some at the club would not wish to engage with the police or other authorities. This is normal in enquiries. Not all want to speak to the police and say what they may have seen. That is not evidence of conspiracy.

The location of Mortimers house is problematic in that it is very close to the club and the yard entrance. Some terrace houses in England may be only 12ft wide and there is only one house between hers and the club. Could Mortimer from her house, see into the yard entrance. Unlikely I think as the angle is too tight. But she could observe the other side of the street and anyone passing.

She either sees Goldstein or she sees Schwartz. There is some evidence for it being Schwartz in that at the time he is looking at the club he is walking fast as if to get away from something or some other reason. There is however some evidence its Goldstein as she states the man was carry a black bag.

We should look carefully at the evidence. I think there is no reason to suggest at this time that Schwartz and Goldstein are the are the same person.

I am going to try and work out this angle thing to see whether there could have been a commotion in the yard entrance without Mortimer seeing it.

NW