Who saw Jack ?

[c.d.]

Hi Shelley,

Tumblety was not a doctor and held no medical degree of any kind.

c.d.

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Shelley,

Tumblety was not a doctor and held no medical degree of any kind.

c.d.

Well a practitioner of herbal medicine. Some people swear by it today.

cheers CD

Pirate

[c.d.]

Hi Pirate,

The point being though that Tumblety had no right to call himself a doctor either in terms of licensing or education.

c.d.

[Shelley]

Hi Shelley,

Tumblety was not a doctor and held no medical degree of any kind.

c.d.

So that's why he was reffered to as 'Quack Doctor'....He probably knew a few bits and bobs, it's just that it may have been the letter that stated a likely suspect ' An American Doctor ' so that's where it comes from that's stuck in my mind of being a Doctor. I suppose in the time of 1888 he wasn't classed a qualified Doctor in the systems terms, such as Dr Brown or Dr Bagster Philips etc. Herbal medicine probably didn't come into that band...It still has trouble even today i think, but perhaps a bit more accepted than 1888.

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Pirate,

The point being though that Tumblety had no right to call himself a doctor either in terms of licensing or education.

c.d.

I guess its a question of view point. I'm just going by Jonathon's interview with Tim Riordan http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=70

Pirate

[c.d.]

I guess its a question of view point. I'm just going by Jonathon's interview with Tim Riordan http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=70

Pirate

Hi Pirate,

I think it is more a question of context. When the doctors who performed the autopsies were being asked at the inquest if what they had seen indicated that the killer had medical knowledge, I don't think the implication was could the killer be an herbalist. I think it is pretty clear that they were being asked could the killer be an actual doctor or someone who had picked up a good degree of medical training or knowledge somewhere.

c.d.

[Jeff Leahy]

Now here's a first on casebook. I agree with you entirely.

will you be at conference CD? I should happily buy you a pint.

Pirate

[c.d.]

Hi Pirate,

Thank you for your kind offer. I wish I could take you up on it but right now I am terrified of losing my job and am trying to keep my spending to a bare minimum. Take it from me, paranoia is not a good feeling to live with. Maybe next year.

c.d.

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi CD, It seems a problem, all round, at present. My partner returned home tonight and thinks she will be made redundant, also, from her graphics job.

UK is having problems, I wish you the best and hope it works out. Good luck..

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

"Thinks she will be made redundant." I assume that means she thinks she'll get fired?

I love the way Brits put things. It's so cute. We Americans are far more boring in our speech. CD's statement that 'I don't think the implication was could he have been an herbalist' also had me reeling.

Sorry to hear you guys are in a recession as well. Funny how our two countries suffer similar circumstances all the time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

Well. Tom, I think it's all over the world, actually. Not just Britain and USA.
The Scandinavian countries certainly haven't escaped it and the same goes for rest of Europe.

All the best

[Jeff Leahy]

"Thinks she will be made redundant." I assume that means she thinks she'll get fired?

I love the way Brits put things. It's so cute. We Americans are far more boring in our speech. CD's statement that 'I don't think the implication was could he have been an herbalist' also had me reeling.

Sorry to hear you guys are in a recession as well. Funny how our two countries suffer similar circumstances all the time.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Ye like who's economy actually created this?

luckily TV seems to be on the up, as everyone has no choice but to stay in and watch Sky History Channel..ho ra!!!

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I've been thinking about Lawende and his credibility and I think the man he saw is extremely likely to have been the Ripper, more so than I thought before. His description of the man seen in "Eddowes'" company was very precise, the majority of which being based on his clothes. Looking at Eddowes' clothes, how common would it have been for numerous women within the vicinity to be wearing the kind of jacket and skirt that Eddowes was in posssession of at the time of her death? Not all that likely. They seem pretty distinctive things to me; the colours, the patterns et cetera. Lawende would've been shown these things for a good few minutes I'd have thought, enough time to memorize them as either being those of the woman he had seen in the man's company or not. I'm surprised there hasn't been much discussion about the sailor-like bloke (though I doubt he was an actual seaman), as I think he's almost certainly the Ripper.

[smezenen]

As to the original question posed in this thread. I can name 5 people that definatly got a good look at the killer- Nichols, Chapman, Eddows, Stride, and Kelly. As for any of the other witness accounts, IMO those that are in depth and detailed are not credible, those that are credible are not complet or detailed enough to be of any use. If anyone saw the Ripper at work they either died or didnt get a good enough look to be a threat to him or they would have died.

[DVV]

Who saw Jack?
Abberline, on Monday 12 Nov 1888, between 6 and 7 pm.
Oups! sorry...
Amitiés,
David