Witness Testimony: Albert Cadosche

[Herlock Sholmes]

It has to be noted that the accusation that some people are ‘Swanson admirers’ comes from someone who is predisposed to have a low opinion of the man due to Kosminski-related issues. For my part I’d like to add a phrase of my own…’Phillips Fans.’ People who believe that Dr. Phillips was a superhero that had powers of ToD estimation that were greater than those of modern day experts. Truly a genius. And some on here don’t find this a little…..far-fetched….strange….bizarre. Pick a word.

[A P Tomlinson]

I have read everyone's reply.

No-one has argued that Swanson was unaware of Phillips' caveat.

Posters previously argued that Phillips' caveat allowed for the possibility that Chapman died at about 5.30 a.m.

In that case, there would be no conflict between Phillips' and Richardson's testimony, yet Swanson considered them to be irreconcilable.

That suggests that he understood that Phillips' 'at least two hours' was not reduced by his caveat.

Phillips' caveat is irrelevant. So is Swanson's acceptance of it or otherwise.
All it does is dsiplay that he understood that external factors like the cold and loss of blood might impact the process estimating of time of death by touch, but not enough to realise that missing vast quantities of iinnards would also make a difference.

PLEASE don't call back to Mitre bloody Square and the "They were able to tell the ToD there..." because the ToD was based on Police reports.
Doctor Brown??? Not even Derren Brown and the combined casts of Bones, CSI Miami and Rizzoli and Isles would be able to put a time of death to within a certainty of a ten minute gap! But this Victorain quack reckons HE can?
Rubbish!

Phillips was using unsound science so it wouldn't matter who believed it or not, there was a high probability that he was wrong, ergo anyone who agreed with him would be wrong, regardless of their job title or status.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

... external factors like the cold and loss of blood might impact the process estimating of time of death by touch, but not enough to realise that missing vast quantities of iinnards would also make a difference.

PLEASE don't call back to Mitre bloody Square ...

I AM going to mention Mitre Square.

The weather conditions were similar, the loss of blood was similar, the mutilation was similar, and both victims had their intestines over the right shoulder.

Yet Eddowes was still warm about 42 minutes after death occurred, whereas Chapman was almost completely cold, supposedly after about an hour.

I do not think you have any answer to that.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The answer is simply that you cannot compare two different bodies. Experts tell us this. What more do we need to know when a laymen tries to tell us otherwise.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The body was cold, except that there was a certain remaining heat, under the intestines, in the body. Stiffness of the limbs was not marked, but it was commencing.

(Mr. George Baxter Phillips at Chapman inquest)


The body had been mutilated, and was quite warm - no rigor mortis.

(Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown at Eddowes inquest)


That is a big difference.

[A P Tomlinson]

I AM going to mention Mitre Square.

The weather conditions were similar, the loss of blood was similar, the mutilation was similar, and both victims had their intestines over the right shoulder.

Yet Eddowes was still warm about 42 minutes after death occurred, whereas Chapman was almost completely cold, supposedly after about an hour.

I do not think you have any answer to that.

Please, tell me... how do you KNOW the ToD was correct?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Please, tell me... how do you KNOW the ToD was correct?

How do you KNOW it was incorrect?

[A P Tomlinson]

How do you KNOW it was incorrect?

I don't... But I know WHY I know it was correct...
If you don't want to answer that's fine.
This is a pointless argument, and you will only engage to win points rather than move a discussion forward.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I don't... But I know WHY I know it was correct...

I don't know what you mean.

[A P Tomlinson]

I don't know what you mean.

I asked, after you went for Mitre Square... how you know the ToD was accurate.
You asked how I know it was inaccurate.
I don't. It WAS accurate. And I know why I know that it was accurate.

How do you KNOW that the Mitre Square ToD was accurate?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I asked, after you went for Mitre Square... how you know the ToD was accurate.
You asked how I know it was inaccurate.
I don't. It WAS accurate. And I know why I know that it was accurate.

How do you KNOW that the Mitre Square ToD was accurate?

Well, you did not specify in the first place which murder you were referring to.

It is obvious why Eddowes' TOD of about 1.38 a.m. is accurate.

[A P Tomlinson]

Well, you did not specify in the first place which murder you were referring to.

It is obvious why Eddowes' TOD of about 1.38 a.m. is accurate.

Should be easy to explain then.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Should be easy to explain then.

I already have several times.

[Wickerman]

I think you are mistaken on that point, one of the first questions the police would ask a doctor at a crime scene is "How long has she been dead" ? it is important for the police to know this approx TOD at the earliest for obvious reasons.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I agree, that is what I'm saying. Phillips estimated 2 or more hours. He had no reason to think otherwise.

[A P Tomlinson]

I already have several times.

But reluctant to do so now... OK.

Don't worry.
I won't press you for specifics.
I don't need to keep a score.

Let me know when it gets back to Albert's reliability.