Who was the best witness to have seen Jack the Ripper?

[Wickerman]

Appearance of a sailor would fit probably half the men of the lodging house class, almost none of whom were sailors.

In that case Tom, it would not carry any great relevance, it would hardly be deemed important by the police.

[Tom_Wescott]

It was as important as if he'd had a 'clerkly appearance', as that would have meant something back then. Look at the clothing items that Lawende describes for the man. Nothing particular 'sailor' about it, but it fit with how sailors dressed: low class but employed. Almost certainly it was the neckwear that made Lawende think 'sailor'. Take that off and you might have 'clerk'.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ben]

Hi Jon,

Swanson most assuredly got "appearance of a sailor" from Lawende - that much is factually established.

Lawende obviously saw someone different from the "clerkly" man observed in Berner Street by Marshall and Smith (assuming they both saw the same man), but I see far fewer problems with Schwartz and Lawende potentially seeing the same person.

Best regards,
Ben

[Hunter]

And Swanson noted that too, Ben. That's why he inserted Lawende's description into his HO report on the Stride murder.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Jon,

Swanson most assuredly got "appearance of a sailor" from Lawende - that much is factually established.

Lawende obviously saw someone different from the "clerkly" man observed in Berner Street by Marshall and Smith (assuming they both saw the same man), but I see far fewer problems with Schwartz and Lawende potentially seeing the same person.

Best regards,
Ben

I would agree with that.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[harry]

The best witness,if my belief is anythimg to go by,is either Pipeman,or BS.One can possibly understand the reluctance of BS to come forward,even if innocent,after Schwartz evidence became known,but how to prove innocence?Pipeman on the other hand,if innocent, had nothing to fear.Maybe what he was hiding,was more than a casual acquaintance with Stride.Perhaps her"Some other time'was an indication that her knowledge of the man she was seenwith(Pipeman?)made another meeting quite probable.

[Abby Normal]

Clerks and sailors. Clerks and sailors. Bah.

It's the peaked cap folks.

Marshall, Schwartz and Lawendes all describe a man with a peak cap.

My money is the ripper was wearing a peaked cap that night.
Right? c'mon folks this isn't rocket science.

[The Good Michael]

Clerks and sailors. Clerks and sailors. Bah.

It's the peaked cap folks.

Marshall, Schwartz and Lawendes all describe a man with a peak cap.

My money is the ripper was wearing a peaked cap that night.
Right? c'mon folks this isn't rocket science.

What branch of the military?

Mike

[Abby Normal]

What branch of the military?

Mike

Your again missing the point. It's not what he was wearing to describe what his profession is. It's the fact that he was wearing a peaked cap that ties everything together and answers many of the questions about the night of the double event.

[Fisherman]

Your again missing the point. It's not what he was wearing to describe what his profession is. It's the fact that he was wearing a peaked cap that ties everything together and answers many of the questions about the night of the double event.

That should single him out, alright!

Just kiddin´, Abby - but peaked caps were very, very common back then. I´ve seen pictures of huge groups of men from the time, ninety per cent or more wearing peaked caps.

That´s not to say that the killer did not wear a peaked cap. I do believe he did.

The best,
Fisherman

[Nick Spring]

Blotchy

seriouly though. I think out of all the supects, that blotchy has the best chance of being the ripper, therefor Cox was most likely to see the ripper.

I also think that schwartz, marshall and lawende probably saw the ripper-the suspect i call peaked cap man, the night of the double event.

If blotchy was not the ripper, then sarah lewis probably saw the ripper in Mr. Waity Watchy, AKA as wide awake man, AKA hutch.

smith and long might have seen the ripper.

Hi Abby,

Blotchy man is a good call, Kelly was worse for wear through drink and it is unlikely she would have gone out again.

Did Blotchy stay or did he leave her and someone else enter her room?

cheers

Nick

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

Blotchy man is a good call, Kelly was worse for wear through drink and it is unlikely she would have gone out again.

Did Blotchy stay or did he leave her and someone else enter her room?

cheers

Nick

Hi nick
I agree. All circumstances are that she was not planning on going out again that night. I Beleive blotchy stayed and killed her and then left, probably around the four o clock time frame, but could have been earlier or later, but he was gone before the sun came up.

If it wasn't blotchy, then he left, and the killer went to her room, and again she was probably killed around fourish.

[The Good Michael]

Your again missing the point. It's not what he was wearing to describe what his profession is. It's the fact that he was wearing a peaked cap that ties everything together and answers many of the questions about the night of the double event.

Peaked caps were worn by the military for the most part, and sea captains. I know civilians wore them too, but they were definitely connected to the military and still are. No one wears them today but the military...or almost no one.

Mike

[lynn cates]

provisions

Hello Abby.

"It's the fact that he was wearing a peaked cap that ties everything together and answers many of the questions about the night of the double event."

Correct, PROVIDED:

1. there were ONLY one out and about with a peaked cap

and

2. there is a link between being seen with someone and subsequently killing her.

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

Peaked caps were worn by the military for the most part, and sea captains. I know civilians wore them too, but they were definitely connected to the military...

And merchant marine.