Who Was Anderson’s Witness?

[Herlock Sholmes]

well that cuts both ways because you cant prove that Stride was a Ripper victim and the only point you seek to rely on to suggest she was related was having her throat cut and even that was not in line with the other murders,

I see you are still trying to prop up the same old same the old accpted theories, time to ditch those unreliable facts, the 21st century can now dispell them

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I’m sorry Trevor but yet again you’re completely ignoring anything I’ve previously said. So I’ll repeat it for what must be the 20th time. I have never, ever claimed that Stride must have been a ripper victim. Please have a search because you keep repeating this falsehood to make your points. In fact I’ve stated my doubts on here numerous times. So why are you falsely claiming that I’m trying to prove that she was? All that I’ve ever said was that we cannot know for certain either way. So, if anything, I’m neutral on the question. Could I possibly make it any clearer? You and Michael however appear to be anything but neutral. You keep raising points that you believe point toward her not being a victim whilst at the same time ignoring the points that point in the other direction. So I’ll ask again why you are so desperate to try and have Stride dismissed as a victim.

Why is it then that neither of you appear to be willing to take a more open minded approach taking in everything that we know rather than taking a selective approach? None of the alleged facts that you refer to can be dispelled. Not a single one of them.

Stride might have been a victim. And she might not have been a victim. We will never be able to take it any further. All that we can do is give our individual opinions as to whether we suspect that she was or wasn’t. To claim to know flies in the face of reason.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Setting aside your unearned air of assumed superiority, youre grasping at straws and calling a single severance of a single artery comparable to deep double cuts that sever both. Hardly apples to apples.

The only thing that shows is that there was a difference in the number of cuts. In order for that to be significant, we would need to have 100% metaphysical certainty that the Ripper ALWAYS CUT the same number of times. Since we don't possess that evidence then cuts are simply cuts. One or two it makes no difference. In both instances they accomplished their goal, i.e., killing his victim.

c.d.

Exactly, and as it’s possible that the killer might have been interrupted why couldn’t the killer have heard whatever caused the interruption just after the first cut and before he had chance to make the second cut?

[Trevor Marriott]

I’m sorry Trevor but yet again you’re completely ignoring anything I’ve previously said. So I’ll repeat it for what must be the 20th time. I have never, ever claimed that Stride must have been a ripper victim. In fact I’ve stated my doubts on here numerous times. So why are you falsely claiming that I’m trying to prove that she was? All that I’ve ever said was that we cannot know for certain either way. So, if anything, I’m neutral on the question. You and Michael however appear to be anything but. You keep raising points that you believe point toward her not being a victim whilst at the same time ignoring the points that point in the other direction.

Why is it then that neither of you appear to be willing to take a more open minded approach taking in everything that we know rather than taking a selective approach? None of the alleged facts that you refer to can be dispelled. Not a single one of them.

The points to say she was are far outweighed by the points to say she was not

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

"Important" seems a gross understatement. More like a question of religious doctrine with one's immortal soul at stake.

c.d.

So much effort to prove or disprove the unprovable can’t fail but lead you to the opinion that there’s an agenda involved. Is that the case? Let’s see. Trevor doesn’t think that the ripper killed all of the named victims and Michael believes that Nichols and Chapman were killed by Isenschmidt (who was incarcerated for Stride and Eddowes) and that Stride was killed by a club member. Ill leave it to you to decide on that one c.d.

[Michael W Richards]

Setting aside your unearned air of assumed superiority, youre grasping at straws and calling a single severance of a single artery comparable to deep double cuts that sever both. Hardly apples to apples.

The only thing that shows is that there was a difference in the number of cuts. In order for that to be significant, we would need to have 100% metaphysical certainty that the Ripper ALWAYS CUT the same number of times. Since we don't possess that evidence then cuts are simply cuts. One or two it makes no difference. In both instances they accomplished their goal, i.e., killing his victim.

c.d.

You missed the point there cd, double throat cuts as deep as the spine ensure a quick demise and lots of blood letting. Since the Ripper was planning on opening his victims and sticking his hands in the wounds, the cuts themselves and what kind are not an inconsequential matter. Since you and some others keep believing that Ripper dont Rip anyway, Im sure that wont hit home with you....though god knows it should.

Maybe the fact that Liz is only cut once is telling you that there was no plan to open her up as well......just like any evidence from that murder suggests anyway.

[Michael W Richards]

The points to say she was are far outweighed by the points to say she was not

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

The problem is that these points you cite are all just hopeful speculations so you can continue to sustain a belief that isnt determined by any evidence, but rather by intuition, amateur extrapolations and crossed fingers.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The points to say she was are far outweighed by the points to say she was not

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Absolute nonsense Trevor and you know it. I refuse to believe that you even believe that yourself.

A known prostitute, murdered outdoors, with her throat cut, in the same small area as the other murders and on the night where we know for a fact that the ripper was at work 15 minutes walk away.

And that’s outweighed by the fact that the killer didn’t cross a mystical road, one cut instead of two and Michael’s demand to see Liz’s Prostitute’s Clocking In Card. Get real Trevor. Just for once can you sideline your agenda and allow reason to enter.

[Herlock Sholmes]

. amateur extrapolations

Does this come from a professional then?

[c.d.]

"Liz’s Prostitute’s Clocking In Card"

Damn, Herlock you are on a roll. First the witches and water and now this. Brilliant.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Maybe the fact that Liz is only cut once is telling you that there was no plan to open her up as well......just like any evidence from that murder suggests anyway.

Sorry, but my only take away from it is that she was cut once. Your extrapolation lacks supporting evidence.

c.d.

[Trevor Marriott]

Absolute nonsense Trevor and you know it. I refuse to believe that you even believe that yourself.

A known prostitute, murdered outdoors, with her throat cut, in the same small area as the other murders and on the night where we know for a fact that the ripper was at work 15 minutes walk away.

And that’s outweighed by the fact that the killer didn’t cross a mystical road, one cut instead of two and Michael’s demand to see Liz’s Prostitute’s Clocking In Card. Get real Trevor. Just for once can you sideline your agenda and allow reason to enter.

Okay you again have you head buried in the sand and therefore cant, or dont want to see what is before your eyes

Lets look at the Stride murder and what makes it different from the other murders

1. The time of the murder, there were no other murders that occurred as early as Strides
2. The location was almost on a main throughfare
3. All the other murders were relatively secluded locations
4. The only murder to have occurred South of The Whitechapel Road
5. People were moving about and in close proximity to where the murder took place
6. No mutilations or any attempt at mutilations
7. The cut to her throat severed the carotid artery, but was not as deep as the other victims throat wounds, who some were almost decapitated
8. No sign of clothing being drawn up as with other victims
9 Forget about the suggestion that it was the ripper and he was disturbed, if it was the ripper he had time to cut her throat so he had time to quickly mutilate the body by stabbing the abdomen

So what do you rely on to suggest it was the same killer

1. The victim was a prostitute, as we know prostitutes are easy prey for killers and besides I doubt many self respecting women would be walking the streets late at night knowing there was a killer about.
2, Stride had her throat cut that doesnt necessary prove the same killer, cutting throats was one of the accepted ways of killing people in victorian times so that in itself doesnt make it unique to Stride
3. Another murder consistent with the Rippers MO a short time later, coincidences do happen

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[c.d.]

Hello Trevor,

It is simply not enough to say the time and location of Stride's murder were significantly different from the other murders, you need to provide some sort of explanation why those deviations are significant. Did the Ripper have some sort of alarm clock that told him when it was time to kill? If he ventured beyond a certain geographical location did he burst into flames or melt like the Wicked Witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz? Give us a reason why these deviations are significant.

Do you post at the exact same time in all of your posts? If the time deviates by a few minutes, can we assume it is not you but some impostor?

Differences by themselves are not significant. You have to explain why they are.

c.d.

[The Baron]

And not forget one very important similarity and connection:


Stride's murder, like the others, remained unsolved!




The Baron

[GBinOz]

So do those who think that Stride was a Ripper victim also think that Coles was a Ripper victim?

Cheers, George

[Abby Normal]

So do those who think that Stride was a Ripper victim also think that Coles was a Ripper victim?

Cheers, George

no, she was probably murdered by her drunk enraged boyfreind sadler. hes lucky he didnt hang for her murder.