If Schwartz Lied ...

[Michael W Richards]

“I had been there about 20 minutes, when a member named Gilleman came upstairs and said, “There is a dead woman lying in the yard.”

At least put a bit of thought into stuff that you make up.

Gilleman told Eagle about the body…….around 1.00.

You have him getting back with Lamb 10 minutes before he left.

Well done.

You put a laugh in when you know full well Lamb is far more reliable for times than any of these folks, and he came to the passageway...with Eagle...BEFORE 1am. Eagle must then have left before 1am to meet up with Lamb BEFORE 1am, yes? Then try to stick with the program.

[Michael W Richards]

I don’t know how I almost missed this gem because it’s another nail in the cover up coffin.

According to this then your plotters must have, for some inexplicable reason, expected the police to only interview club employees because only they had been told about the plot. They must have hoped that the police might have decided not to have interviewed non-employees like Kozebrodski, Hoschberg and Spooner. Great plan. Unfortunately they were interviewed though (obviously) and not only didn’t they back up the script they didn’t even back each other up (with Spooner saying that he arrived at the yard with Louis before Louis and Koz left the yard in the first place).


Lets put this joke to bed. It’s a bigger waste of time than the Knight theory.

Wess left, remember? At around 12:30...he wasnt there when the body was found, you see now? I feel like this is a kindergarten since youve been posting, you cant seem to follow anything... in particular, the actual quotes.

[Michael W Richards]

And I suggest that you stop inventing things to suit your theory. The theory that I showed to be nonsense in a earlier post. A post that you have no response to.

Let’s look at your background on this……you believe that Issendschmidt killed Nichols and Chapman but damn he could have killed Stride and Eddowes…….then waddya know……you conveniently create, err, I mean discover a cover up to explain why Stride must have been killed by someone else.

Nice work.

Unfortunately though, we can see through it and can see your transparent motives and tactics.

If you think what you posted there accurately reflects anything that youve been told in print then Im afraid dyslexia is now added to your shortcomings. Perhaps handicaps is more sensitive and accurate.

[Michael W Richards]

You missed out 2 words….


Two people mistakenly said they were by the body at 12:40.


And they can safely be dismissed.

Im sorry, I missed where there was any evidence produced to accuse both witnesses of inaccurate accounts? Do you have that handy? Or are you just shooting blanks as always?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Nope again, She said she heard boots. Youve attributed those specifically to Smith, she didnt.

There was no other police officer passing.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Again.....though it should need to be mentioned so many times, sounds are not people. They are sounds. Youve attributed the people, he didnt.

Ok so 2 other people also ran along Fairclough Street calling for a Constable within 10 minutes or so of Louis and Koz on an entirely unconnected and previously unmentioned matter?

How desperate can you possibly be to keep your theory afloat Michael. This just gets worse.

[Michael W Richards]

There was no other police officer passing.

Only police wore boots huh,.. your just full of wonders arent you?

[Herlock Sholmes]

You put a laugh in when you know full well Lamb is far more reliable for times than any of these folks, and he came to the passageway...with Eagle...BEFORE 1am. Eagle must then have left before 1am to meet up with Lamb BEFORE 1am, yes? Then try to stick with the program.

If you think I’m letting you shrug that one off you are sadly mistaken.

You said Eagle told Gilleman about the body. Which isn’t true of course. And of course you don’t have the decency to acknowledge this you just try changing the subject.

So there’s no point in going on about what time Eagle ‘must’ have gone. He said……in his own words……that he was first called to the body at around 1.00 and certainly not at 12.45.

1.00.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Only police wore boots huh,.. your just full of wonders arent you?

The claimed to have heard the measured tread of a police officer. If you want to invent someone it’s up to you.

[Michael W Richards]

Ok so 2 other people also ran along Fairclough Street calling for a Constable within 10 minutes or so of Louis and Koz on an entirely unconnected and previously unmentioned matter?

How desperate can you possibly be to keep your theory afloat Michael. This just gets worse.

First off Louis and Koz as you put it didnt leave together, Louis left with Issac[s], and Issac K left by himself, later meeting Eagle on his way back. Eagle with Lamb. Before 1am. Clearish for you now? Im sure not, but we keep on trying.

Kozebrodski says he saw Stride there on the ground around 12:40. So does Heschberg. Kozebrodski leaves, Eagle leaves, Kozebrodski meets Eagle and Lamb on the way back, and according to Lamb that is just before 1.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Wess left, remember? At around 12:30...he wasnt there when the body was found, you see now? I feel like this is a kindergarten since youve been posting, you cant seem to follow anything... in particular, the actual quotes.

Question…..again…..

If there was a plot why wasn’t Kozebrodski, Hoschberg or Spooner told about it?

And do you genuinely think that the ‘plotters’ could have been so unbelievably moronic that they would have proceeded on this dumb plan knowing full well that some didn’t know the script.

Its simply IMPOSSIBLE that any reasonable person could believe this. On this point alone the ‘cover-up’ theory crumbles completely. This point kills it. Stone dead.

[Herlock Sholmes]

First off Louis and Koz as you put it didnt leave together, Louis left with Issac[s], and Issac K left by himself, later meeting Eagle on his way back. Eagle with Lamb. Before 1am. Clearish for you now? Im sure not, but we keep on trying.

Kozebrodski says he saw Stride there on the ground around 12:40. So does Heschberg. Kozebrodski leaves, Eagle leaves, Kozebrodski meets Eagle and Lamb on the way back, and according to Lamb that is just before 1.

More lies.

Isaacs and Koz were most likely one and the same.

Eagle first saw the body at 1.00

Remember?

He said so.

Using words.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If you think what you posted there accurately reflects anything that youve been told in print then Im afraid dyslexia is now added to your shortcomings. Perhaps handicaps is more sensitive and accurate.

Wonderful. You criticise me then call me handicapped.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Im sorry, I missed where there was any evidence produced to accuse both witnesses of inaccurate accounts? Do you have that handy? Or are you just shooting blanks as always?

Yes.

Diemschutz saw a clock and said it was 1.00 - simply calling him a liar doesn’t cut it. They were guessing, he wasn’t.

Eagle was called to the body at around 1.00.

Sara Diemschutz and the club servants.

Minsky

Wess.

So the Police had at least 7 witnesses saying that the body was discovered at 1.00. All you have is two who are way out and who’s times don’t gel with anything else.

Koz and Hosch are the ones that were out. The police obviously agreed and they were there.

All you are left to do is to babyishly call everyone you don’t agree with liars.

[Michael W Richards]

Ill just end this nonsense with this, until people discontinue a pattern of ignorance when it comes to corroborated witness accounts that do not match ones that are only the word of the witness for validation, this kind of stupid exchange will occur. I urge all people when it comes to this murder, to chart ALL the times given, match ones that are corroborative, and give credence to times by beat patrolmen. To have to argue over and over again that you cannot just throw away multiple matching stories because you believe a fellow named Jack killed a Canonical Group of Five.

its bleeding obvious that Stride wasnt killed by any kind of mutilator, though that doesnt stop the self serving arguments for his inclusion. Interruption....yeah right. Many matching witness vs a single non-validated account and Im getting an opinion here that the single non-validated account is the best one to use...again, hard to imagine that kind of logic, but its out there. Mr Herlock is doing that on every defensive post here.

Before anyone believes anything Herlock says regarding throwing out multiple corroborated stories and who we should really believe,..."Witnesses are key sources for obtaining evidence and corroboration. Neighbors, friends, and customers may have information and are probable witnesses at trial. Investigators should interview all of these people immediately to avoid the possibility that they might coordinate their stories to discount the victim’s experience and might destroy evidence. Prosecutors often issue grand jury subpoenas for all of the following potential witnesses to nail down their statements under oath and to avoid surprises at trial".

As you see, all the stories matter...whether they matter to Herlock or not. The only way to suss out what actually happened is to compare the stories. When there are matching stories, you have some degree of assurance. When cops give times, you use them. When people use clocks for times, you take them seriously too. Israel Schwartz provided the same amount of proof that his story was truthful than if he had said he saw a circus clown dancing with Stride on the street.

Ill let you go back to misinforming, misconstruing, misrepresenting, and missing the entire point Herlock, your tantrums dont add anything to what is essentially just holding your breath till you turn blue. Children think that can actually make some people change opinions....of course, it cant really.

Please find someone elses time to waste.