Witness/Killer?

[The Rookie Detective]

I know what you’re thinking. This is Herlock looking for a Lechmere based debate with Fish. It’s not.

We have witnesses in the case who have become suspects. The two that have caused the most discussion of course are Lechmere and Hutchinson. We can add Mann, Bachert, Hardiman And now, I believe, Maxwell.

So....is there anyone else in the case for whom a case might be made? Whether a witness or an official (Police/Doctor)

Im just looking those that don’t have a book proposing them. I know that Lechmere doesn’t have a book proposing him yet but I’ll discount him as there are plenty of Lechmere threads.

Any possibles?

McCarthy, Paul, Bowyer

[caz]

I know what you’re thinking. This is Herlock looking for a Lechmere based debate with Fish. It’s not.

We have witnesses in the case who have become suspects. The two that have caused the most discussion of course are Lechmere and Hutchinson. We can add Mann, Bachert, Hardiman And now, I believe, Maxwell.

So....is there anyone else in the case for whom a case might be made? Whether a witness or an official (Police/Doctor)

Im just looking those that don’t have a book proposing them. I know that Lechmere doesn’t have a book proposing him yet but I’ll discount him as there are plenty of Lechmere threads.

Any possibles?

I would be interested in any witness who could be connected in some objective way with more than just one of the murders. The usual 'suspect' witnesses all seem to be linked with one murder only, in which case great dollops of speculation are needed to argue for any one of them being the ripper.

Love,

Caz
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[Abby Normal]

I would be interested in any witness who could be connected in some objective way with more than just one of the murders. The usual 'suspect' witnesses all seem to be linked with one murder only, in which case great dollops of speculation are needed to argue for any one of them being the ripper.

Love,

Caz
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of course thats a great point. a possible connection is hutch jewish suspect and the gsg disparaging jews. the only two direct pieces of evidence that mention jews by name.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I would be interested in any witness who could be connected in some objective way with more than just one of the murders. The usual 'suspect' witnesses all seem to be linked with one murder only, in which case great dollops of speculation are needed to argue for any one of them being the ripper.

Love,

Caz
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Fish does say that Lechmere had reason to be close to all of the sites if I recall correctly (I’ll stand correcting of course) Hanbury Street being a possible route to work.

For any potential suspect I’ve always wondered how ‘close to home’ he would have wanted to be when weighing up between local knowledge and an excuse for being in the area if questioned and the risk of being identified? A vague witness description is one thing but an “I saw Fred Smith....” would have been another.

Ive always suspected that the killer didn’t actually live in the Whitechapel area.

[Michael W Richards]

of course thats a great point. a possible connection is hutch jewish suspect and the gsg disparaging jews. the only two direct pieces of evidence that mention jews by name.

This is the only night within the Canonical crimes that Jews figure so prominently. And in both investigations.

[DJA]

Ive always suspected that the killer didn’t actually live in the Whitechapel area.

Sevenoaks,Kent.

[Paddy Goose]

To DJA,

Even writing an article for the e-magazine Ripperologist could help you someday get a movie deal or TV show. That's kinda what happened with Fish. He did more than just drop hints here and there. He wrote an article or two, started multiple theads titled as Lechmere suspect threads, etc. One day a TV producer telephoned a man named Neil who was then active in the field, and inquired of him if any new Ripper suspects were being discussed, and Neil said, "Yes, Lechmere." Not that he, Neil bought into Lechmere, in fact he was probably diametrically opposed to the idea, just as we all are. But yeah, you've got to get it out there. All the time you spend popping in here daily you could have written not one but a couple of really fine magazine articles by now.

Just a suggestion, no harm intended, I hope this is helpful.

I wish you the best,

Paddy

[Herlock Sholmes]

Sevenoaks,Kent.

I wonder who lived there?

[Abby Normal]

To DJA,

Even writing an article for the e-magazine Ripperologist could help you someday get a movie deal or TV show. That's kinda what happened with Fish. He did more than just drop hints here and there. He wrote an article or two, started multiple theads titled as Lechmere suspect threads, etc. One day a TV producer telephoned a man named Neil who was then active in the field, and inquired of him if any new Ripper suspects were being discussed, and Neil said, "Yes, Lechmere." Not that he, Neil bought into Lechmere, in fact he was probably diametrically opposed to the idea, just as we all are. But yeah, you've got to get it out there. All the time you spend popping in here daily you could have written not one but a couple of really fine magazine articles by now.

Just a suggestion, no harm intended, I hope this is helpful.

I wish you the best,

Paddy

hi paddy
yup agree. I like DJA and think sutten could be an intriguing suspect. Ive often asked him to write up his theory all in one place. would love to see it.

[DJA]

To DJA,

Even writing an article for the e-magazine Ripperologist could help you someday get a movie deal or TV show. That's kinda what happened with Fish. He did more than just drop hints here and there. He wrote an article or two, started multiple theads titled as Lechmere suspect threads, etc. One day a TV producer telephoned a man named Neil who was then active in the field, and inquired of him if any new Ripper suspects were being discussed, and Neil said, "Yes, Lechmere." Not that he, Neil bought into Lechmere, in fact he was probably diametrically opposed to the idea, just as we all are. But yeah, you've got to get it out there. All the time you spend popping in here daily you could have written not one but a couple of really fine magazine articles by now.

Just a suggestion, no harm intended, I hope this is helpful.

I wish you the best,

Paddy

There is no shortage of producers' (right hand men) seeking Jack the Ripper screenplays.

A well known one has been canvasing around for several years. I have "both" his emails. One is fairly public.
You will have seen several of his movies.
I own over a dozen.
One stars Sean Connery.

My search has been for a suitable screenwriter.
I've turned many down.
The story was in front of Australia's best,with an Academy Award nomination non the less.That December he lost a parent.

A screenplay exposing the truth is worth a bare minimum of $10 million.
I might consider $15 million.
TV is not in my sights.

I left an important project ~ 16 years ago to work on this,thinking it would take 5 to 7 years and open doors for the former
Casebook has been an excellent easy reference point for basic facts.
Hopefully I am repaying that.
I've rejected four requests to open a thread on Sutton,as that would be self serving.

The movie industry is an interesting and complex industry.
I'm not interested in jumping through hoops. Money is not THAT important to me.

I do appreciate your intentions.

Thanks Paddy Goose.

PS. There is one particular member here that I'd like to thank,however PM rules prevent it.
He knows who he is!

[DJA]

I wonder who lived there?

Sutton seemed to struggle a bit with mathematics. Inclusive/exclusive dates.

Mistakes regarding his age stem from the 1881 Census.

By memory he moved from Finsbury Square in 1876.

The history of the Providence Row Refuge is worth a peek.It started within that Square before moving.

[Paddy Goose]

Thank you for your answer, DJA

I should have joined this forum a decade ago.

Joe Barnett as suspect was being debated here a decade ago. There was a book about it.

Paddy

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bruce Paley did one on Barnett but something’s telling me that there might have been another book. I’m not at home at the moment so I can’t access my books. Someone will know.

[caz]

Fish does say that Lechmere had reason to be close to all of the sites if I recall correctly (I’ll stand correcting of course) Hanbury Street being a possible route to work.

For any potential suspect I’ve always wondered how ‘close to home’ he would have wanted to be when weighing up between local knowledge and an excuse for being in the area if questioned and the risk of being identified? A vague witness description is one thing but an “I saw Fred Smith....” would have been another.

Ive always suspected that the killer didn’t actually live in the Whitechapel area.

Hi Herlock,

The problem with the Lechmere theory is that there is not enough information about his work commitments before and after the Buck's Row murder to know if he was even working on the days when other similar attacks took place. A 'possible' route to work is not good enough, and would apply to anyone living and working in the same vicinity. And if it came to light that he was off work on one or more of the murder dates, we can be sure the theory would simply be adapted to fit the new information.

One of the difficulties for me is that Lechmere came forward voluntarily and attended the Nichols inquest, making his presence in Buck's Row known. Would he have killed again the very next weekend, knowing he could be seen near Hanbury Street by anyone who knew him, or be placed there on account of his route to work that morning? There's a fine line between bravado and stupidity, and I doubt that line was crossed. The killer was never caught and Lechmere was never suspected, despite his account clashing in certain respects with PC Mizen's. I suspect the killer kept his head well down and his name well out of it. I'd be surprised if it was someone whose face was familiar on those streets. I see Mister Nobody, leaving no trace behind to connect him with any of the crime scenes.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Oh, and before Fish leaps in to point out that Lechmere did keep his name well out of it, the Pickfords carman made himself perfectly identifiable to the authorities, had they wanted to question him again. That's not something I could see the killer doing.