Witness/Killer?

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Israel Schwartz -- Witness or . . .

Ah yes, the good old days, when people were a bit more sceptical.

I should have joined this forum a decade ago. Imagine it.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

You sized that up well

As I said, me and jacky boy got a lot in common

[Herlock Sholmes]

Henry Gawen Sutton.

How did I know you’d suggest him Dave?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Patrick Muleshaw gave information in the Nichols murder.He was in what can be termed the immediate neighbourhood.Claims he was told a murder had been committed.Placed himself at the crime scene.He was a night watchman,and his movements that night are unrecorded.Not my front runner,but there are possibilites lacking in most suspects.
Another person of interest,to me at least,is someone not named in any way by anyone.I will not identify him in respect to descendents who supplied information on another matter i am researching.He was in Whitechapell at the appropriate time.he had absconded to London to avoid facing criminal charges.Had a history of abuse to women.Deserted a wife and children.He died penniless in lodgings in London in 1891,having been in bad health for a considerable time.Matched in age and appearance
the information given by at least one witness.Came from a respectable family background.

You got me curious Harry Look forward to hearing about him when you’ve completed your research.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Israel Schwartz -- Witness or . . .

Ah yes, the good old days, when people were a bit more sceptical.

I should have joined this forum a decade ago. Imagine it.

Sceptical about witnesses or baseless suspects Not?

[Prosector]

I think I'm correct in saying that, in general, serial killers do not voluntarily come forward as witnesses. They may be interviewed in the course of an investigation of course but they do not generally do things which will focus attention on them - rather the opposite. I have pointed out before that whilst Francis Craig was the editor of the East London Advertiser the paper never once used the expression 'Jack the Ripper' in any of its reportage at a time when, following the first Dear Boss letter, virtually every other newspaper in the world was using it freely. The moment that Craig left the paper in about February or March 1889 and was replaced by another editor, the ELA started using it. I believe that, whether or not Craig was JTR, he did write the first and two other Dear Boss letters.
Prosector

[DJA]

I think I'm correct in saying that, in general, serial killers do not voluntarily come forward as witnesses.
Prosector

Major Henry Smith had Henry Gawen Sutton examine Eddowes' kidney.
Sutton gave an opinion "that he would wager his career on",or similar.

Eddowes (Conway) and Nichols were his inpatients from December 1867 with Rheumatic fever and, were no doubt, still carrying Strep pyogenes in their intestines.

As we both know, Strep is a major cause of many auto immune diseases,as they and others,outnumber good gut flora and in some instances kill them off.
This results in myofascial pain and fatigue,largely due to insufficient amino acid/protein uptake.(Lack of Serine can be a big problem.)
Try telling that to a heart specialist.


Sutton was a pioneer in your chosen field of expertise.

RIP Sean Connery.
Could really use your late father as a screenwriter.

[Abby Normal]

I think I'm correct in saying that, in general, serial killers do not voluntarily come forward as witnesses. They may be interviewed in the course of an investigation of course but they do not generally do things which will focus attention on them - rather the opposite. I have pointed out before that whilst Francis Craig was the editor of the East London Advertiser the paper never once used the expression 'Jack the Ripper' in any of its reportage at a time when, following the first Dear Boss letter, virtually every other newspaper in the world was using it freely. The moment that Craig left the paper in about February or March 1889 and was replaced by another editor, the ELA started using it. I believe that, whether or not Craig was JTR, he did write the first and two other Dear Boss letters.
Prosector

what other two?

[Abby Normal]

I know what you’re thinking. This is Herlock looking for a Lechmere based debate with Fish. It’s not.

We have witnesses in the case who have become suspects. The two that have caused the most discussion of course are Lechmere and Hutchinson. We can add Mann, Bachert, Hardiman And now, I believe, Maxwell.

So....is there anyone else in the case for whom a case might be made? Whether a witness or an official (Police/Doctor)

Im just looking those that don’t have a book proposing them. I know that Lechmere doesn’t have a book proposing him yet but I’ll discount him as there are plenty of Lechmere threads.

Any possibles?

hi herlock

richardson, bowyer, crow

[Prosector]

Thank you for that last comment. I spent a few days on the set of Goldfinger in 1964 watching watching as Connery and my old man virtually improvised dialogue together as the scenes were shot. I sent something about it to the Times and the Telegraph yesterday but whether they'll use it in their obituaries I doubt.

Interested in your other comments too. We must have a chat sometime.

[DJA]

One of Sean's brothers in law was my GP at Highgate Hill,Brisbane in the early 1970s.

Not quite the same.

[Bridewell]

Bridewell,
I believe you've had thoughts on this subject.

I worried about Cadosch for quite a while because his evidence just doesn't fit. I'm now of the view that he just wanted his 15 minutes (132 years & counting?) of fame & made the whole thing up. Barnett is technically a witness but has to be seen as a suspect, especially for the Kelly Murder. I'm amazed that Schwartz has never become suspect - he describes an attack on a woman (clearly Stride) following which a bystander shouted 'Lipski' and a man fled the scene (Schwartz himself).

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve never been keen on Barnett as a suspect. Especially for Kelly as he was would have been a familiar figure in Millers Court and as he wasn’t living the at the time of the murder it would only have taken one person to have spotted him.

[Herlock Sholmes]

hi herlock

richardson, bowyer, crow

Hi Abby,

NBFN was getting suspicious about Richardson on the other thread.

It doesn’t seem long ago that someone was supposed to be writing a book proposing Abberline as the ripper. Don’t know if the book has surfaced?

How much has been researched about Llewelyn? He’d certainly have owned s Gladstone Bag

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I’ve never been keen on Barnett as a suspect. Especially for Kelly as he was would have been a familiar figure in Millers Court and as he wasn’t living the at the time of the murder it would only have taken one person to have spotted him.

I've always been curious about Barnett's echolalia. I've never seen it outside of more profound autism and to a degree in acquired brain injury, and in any case I've seen it, the idea of questioning someone on record with echolalia is absurd. It's not just repetition of the last word said, it's far more complex, and detrimental to the person with it.