Maxwell

[curious]

The coat, along with the curtains, would have been the first articles removed, investigators need as much light as possible to comprehend what they are looking at.
As more police arrive I would expect they confine all the tenants to their respective rooms.

Regards, Jon S.

Thanks, Jon. That thought eventually came to me. I once had a friend who said that as people get older, they should count to 10 before asking a question and often the answer will come to them without having to ask.

The older I get the more often I find he was right.

[Bridewell]

The Source?

It's possible for anyone to be mistaken, Rich - whether about the day, or the person she saw. Maurice Lewis was almost certainly mistaken, in that he ostensibly described Kelly as a chubby, dark-haired midget.

Hi Sam,


"a chubby, dark-haired midget"

I've not seen it put in those terms before. That certainly seems to have been at odds with the description supplied by others. What is the source?

Regards

Bridewell

[Wickerman]

The coat, along with the curtains, would have been the first articles removed, investigators need as much light as possible to comprehend what they are looking at.
As more police arrive I would expect they confine all the tenants to their respective rooms.

Regards, Jon S.

[curious]

later she said, " (I)...sees her from my own room across, through the broken window, a sight I shall carry to my grave".
The Ripper File, Jones & Lloyd, 1975, p.65.

Regards, Jon S.

Does THAT statement make any sense at all? Could Pickett have seen into the room from her room since there was a coat hanging in the window.

curious

[Malcolm X]

Would the coat over the window not have kept Picket from being able to see into the room from her own room across?

Does that statement make any sense?

definitely yes, but it would not stop sound from escaping instead

[curious]

I believe you are perfectly correct. I found a statement attributed to a Catharine Picket, flower seller, who lived in Millers Court, taken from, I think, The Daily Chronicle, 10 Nov. 1888.

In the article Catharine refers to "my old man, Dave" and that she heard Mary Kelly singing, "I plucked a violet, etc. " at 12:30 am, and later she said, " (I)...sees her from my own room across, through the broken window, a sight I shall carry to my grave".
The Ripper File, Jones & Lloyd, 1975, p.65.

Regards, Jon S.

Would the coat over the window not have kept Picket from being able to see into the room from her own room across?

Does that statement make any sense?

[lynn cates]

ah!

Hello Jon. Thanks. Now I get it. I thought that it was just after she heard the Irish folk music.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Lynn, there was a time between the discovery of the murder and the police getting themselves organised in the Court.
Apparently, Picket's room overlooked the broken window of Kelly's room, perhaps Picket lived opposite in the rooms beside the water pump?
I'm sure several residents peeked through the broken window before enough police arrived to take control.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

sight

Hello Jon. A sight? Meaning her last time seeing MJK? Surely not the mutilated remains?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

There is a Catherine Pickett age 33 married to David,34 in the 1891 census, he is a bottle dealer.
They live at 24 Spring Gardens Whitechapel.

I believe this is the witness in question.

Miss Marple

I believe you are perfectly correct. I found a statement attributed to a Catharine Picket, flower seller, who lived in Millers Court, taken from, I think, The Daily Chronicle, 10 Nov. 1888.

In the article Catharine refers to "my old man, Dave" and that she heard Mary Kelly singing, "I plucked a violet, etc. " at 12:30 am, and later she said, " (I)...sees her from my own room across, through the broken window, a sight I shall carry to my grave".
The Ripper File, Jones & Lloyd, 1975, p.65.

Regards, Jon S.

[Wickerman]

Thankyou, yes I did look her up.

The reason I asked was because there is a slim chance Mrs Maxwell confused Pickell for Kelly, and if they both had Irish accents then that would help understand her confusion.
No such luck.

Regards, Jon S.

[miss marple]

Catherine was born in Spitalfields and David in Holborn so locals.

Miss Marple

[Wickerman]

Thankyou, so this Pickett might be our Pickell and 30 yrs old in 1888 whereas Kelly was about 25.
Was Pickett born in England?

Spring Gardens?, I'll take a look..
Thankyou, Jon S.

[miss marple]

catherine pickett

There is a Catherine Pickett age 33 married to David,34 in the 1891 census, he is a bottle dealer.
They live at 24 Spring Gardens Whitechapel.

I believe this is the witness in question.

Miss Marple

[richardnunweek]

Hi Wickerman,
You just may have something here,..
Catherine Pickell/Pickert[,referred to] stated that she went to Kelly's room to borrow her shawl [ as it was raining] she claimed that she knocked the door , but as there was no answer, went on her way.
Mrs Maxwell claimed she saw the woman Kelly wearing a woollen crossover some 30 minutes later, that she had not seen Kelly wearing for some time .
Dead people are not seen , or spoken to, unless they are alive, or a witness has made a mistake.
Did Maxwell see Pickell]Pickert wearing Mary's, shawl? but according to Pickell, she could not obtain it.if she was lying,.... why?
If it was the same crossover, it found itself back in Mary's room by 1045am.
So did Kelly give lend her shawl, and it was returned shortly after 8am, suggesting Kelly was alive, but that being the case, why did not Pickell tell the truth?
Was she scared to say she saw Kelly alive, and well at 730am, or are we barking up the wrong tree???
Regards Richard,