Mitre Square Workman

[Shelley]

Nell,

That'll be James Blenkin(g)sopp you are refering to. He was the watchman of some street alterations in nearby St James place (Orange Market).

Its possible the man he saw was a CID detective. As they were fanning out in the area at the time.

Cheers

Monty

Yeap, More than likely a CID man that spoke to James Blenkinsop i think that both Police and CID would generalise and scale out women on the streets with men approaching them, i mean what decent respectable woman would be out and about in the streets of London at those hours of the night anyway, then especially with JTR around.
people still add thier rubbish to the case of JTR, i mean it stil happens now with the ' Maybrick Diary ', i wonder if anyone got prosecuted for that Diary? Never heard of it, so i guess not.

[Shelley]

If he were, yes, but why would a policeman follow Eddowes? They didn't just trail after every streetwalker they saw, and there's nothing to suggest they'd have any reason to single her out for special treatment. I think the suggestion that the "City PC" witness was just a confused reference to Lawende, the witness for the City of London police.

Dan is right, Eddowes wouldn't have been singled out for special treatment, but just a general check as with others on the street as a formality in the height of the murders.

[perrymason]

Could these be the workmen mentioned?

5th October 1888 Hull Daily Mail


IMPORTANT STATEMENT BY A SEWER FOREMAN
It may be mentioned in connection with the Mitre-square murder that the foreman of the sewer hands who are engaged in Aldgate in sweeping the streets and clearing away the refuse, &c., in the early hours of the morning, has stated most positively that at the time when the murder is supposed to have been perpetrated he was standing not more than 20 yards away from the spot where the body was subsequently found by the constable and himself. He states emphatically that he never heard any woman’s cries for help, nor did any sounds of a struggle reach his ear.

Hi Mike,

I would think that ties in with the reports that the police did check sewer grates nicely. Its interesting that two investigations were going on regarding the Mitre Street area, due to the Post Office robbery that same weekend, and I believe both would involve looking at underground route possibilities. I dont know whether a main Underground rail station is located near that square, but they were expanding the Underground through the East End that year also.

Cheers mate.

[Monty]

Michael,

The reports state that the Post Office robbers gained access via the roof and not through the sewers.

Mitre Street Sewers were search a few days after Eddowes murder, the police were looking for clothes, weapons etc.


Cheers
Monty

[Monty]

Could these be the workmen mentioned?

5th October 1888 Hull Daily Mail


IMPORTANT STATEMENT BY A SEWER FOREMAN
It may be mentioned in connection with the Mitre-square murder that the foreman of the sewer hands who are engaged in Aldgate in sweeping the streets and clearing away the refuse, &c., in the early hours of the morning, has stated most positively that at the time when the murder is supposed to have been perpetrated he was standing not more than 20 yards away from the spot where the body was subsequently found by the constable and himself. He states emphatically that he never heard any woman’s cries for help, nor did any sounds of a struggle reach his ear.

Hey Mike,

Missed your post there, sorry.

The report of the street cleaners did intrigue me. However the timing of the Foreman and locations didnt add up. The team were further away that 20 yards and they do not report Morris and the Police scuttling about. I think this was a case of someone placing more importance to their events than was actually the truth.

Monty

[perrymason]

Michael,

The reports state that the Post Office robbers gained access via the roof and not through the sewers.

Mitre Street Sewers were search a few days after Eddowes murder, the police were looking for clothes, weapons etc.


Cheers
Monty

Thanks for that Monty....I had actually though I remembered they broke through an adjoining wall, but that makes sense. I do believe though that they (the police) didnt immediately recognize the entry method. My point about checking the sewers may still apply to the Post Office job, depending on when that was done.

Hmm..they left the building locked from the inside....just like 13 Millers Court.....some avid stamp collectors branching out perhaps?

Cheers Monty.

[protohistorian]

Hey Mike,

Missed your post there, sorry.

The report of the street cleaners did intrigue me. However the timing of the Foreman and locations didnt add up. The team were further away that 20 yards and they do not report Morris and the Police scuttling about. I think this was a case of someone placing more importance to their events than was actually the truth.

Monty

Ass-uming that this is a fair recollection, what then is length of attack?

[Monty]

Ass-uming that this is a fair recollection, what then is length of attack?

It terms of what?

The actual physical attack itself of from picking her up to fleeing?

Monty

[protohistorian]

It terms of what?

The actual physical attack itself of from picking her up to fleeing?

Monty

disregard Sir I thought it out, my interest was minimum time for killer/victim contact.

[Monty]

No worries.